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1 posted on 08/07/2014 2:37:24 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Logically, (I know that is difficult for libturds) a pardon only restores a citizen to his prior status. Something an illegal alien never had. Hence a pardon would fail to yield Rat voters. No good for the Rats. Those folks HAVE to vote, of course, for THAT is the whole point.


2 posted on 08/07/2014 2:51:59 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is interesting. Thanks.


3 posted on 08/07/2014 2:52:07 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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Marc Rich, whose pardon was walked through by Holder I believe, ran afoul of the limits of pardon. He was pardoned from the criminal acts of dealing with Iran Oil BUT the pardon could not obsolve his tax consequences. He never returned to the US because of that IMO.


4 posted on 08/07/2014 3:44:30 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wouldn’t you need a good headcount first? /sarc


5 posted on 08/07/2014 3:59:06 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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You can pardon the person for having entered the country illegally (if that were the case) and being in the country illegally...and the person can then quickly go home and have a clean record here.

However, if he stays, he is still violating the law and the next president, if we can find one, can prosecute him for still being here illegally. No different that pardoning a bank robber - you can pardon his past robberies, but not his future robberies.

In this case, the person is still here illegally, and the only question is when (and if) the federal government decides to go after him. That’s why the president pressed so hard for Congress to legalize them...then they could NEVER be touched.

So, in a way, I almost want this “Amnesty” type action from Obama...then we get their names, hopefully their fingerprints, and where they are. A nice “registration list” to use when the time comes for a roundup.


6 posted on 08/07/2014 4:34:31 AM PDT by BobL
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8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

Title 18 of the U.S. Code is CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
7 posted on 08/07/2014 4:41:06 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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As I said before... just show me the country where I can go and work without paying taxes, where I can go and NEVER answer to their laws, where I can remain without citizenship and STILL enjoy the privilege of VOTING!

Show me THAT place and I’ll go home right now and start packing!!!

By the way... as an actual CITIZEN, I MUST pay taxes and I’d be prosecuted under the LAW if I failed to do so!


8 posted on 08/07/2014 4:44:06 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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It would still be an illegal amnesty. The next president could simply reverse it with another “executive order” after declaring the prior order to be illegal an invalid.

“Life in post-constitutional America.”

A banana republic with nukes.


10 posted on 08/07/2014 5:18:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

An actual ‘pardon’ has a specific legal meaning.

You can only pardon someone whose been convicted of a crime in a court of law. If you’ve never had a trial and been found guilty you can’t be legally pardoned.


12 posted on 08/07/2014 8:17:30 AM PDT by servo1969
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