Posted on 12/08/2014 9:02:22 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
Then you should hear what his wife said about him.
“He had issues. Heavy guy. And he was very lazy,” Ms. Garner said. “He didn’t like to do anything. He wasn’t used to it.”
And he was nominated for a Nobel..
The guy died of a heart attack and was asthmatic. I’m thinking that taser and pepper spray would have likely had the same results.
Oh my gosh! then by all means KILL HIM!!!
You must have watched an edited video. He tried to flee from the cops, albeit in slow motion due to his condition. If anyone can be faulted for Garner’s death, it would have been the paramedics that did not treat his condition. And I would still demand an investigation of that coroner, because that headlock from what I saw of it would not have damaged the trachea as the coroner claimed.
Who killed him?
Most likely himself.
Even fat, lazy, criminals selling loose cigarettes ought to be taken in using the minimum amount of force required.
Of course. And may they never attack you and have you kill yourself too.
Surprise surprise, he was a thug. Try telling that to the media.
Thanks for the rhetorical well-wishes. I don’t intend to live my life like Garner, for the record, so I don’t anticipate trouble from the law, much less the NYPD.
I’m among the first to say (perhaps too much) that we need fewer Barney Fifes and more Andy Griffiths.
But were the cops trying to kill Garner, or were they trying to subdue & restrain him? I do not believe their intent was to kill. I think they were just trying to get him cuffed.
If they would use the same techniques to subdue and restrain anyone else, then we should be arguing for different techniques all around. In this case, Garner’s heart was a ticking time-bomb which neither Garner, nor the cops, were apparently aware of. Unfortunately for Garner, his heart couldn’t handle the stress and gave out on him. He wasn’t “choked-out” or put in a sleeper-hold, as far as I could see.
ALL THAT BEING SAID, I have to wonder why arrest the guy over selling cigarettes, rather than just writing him a ticket/summons? Whatever happened to officer discretion where the cop asks himself, “does selling cigarettes necessitate me fighting this guy, possibly losing my weapon in the struggle and getting me or someone else hurt?”
If it *IS* necessary, then game-on just as hard & fast as you can until the suspect is secured and everyone around is safe. But if it is NOT necessary, then why do it? Is it that the officer’s ego took a beating when the guy yelled at him (tough cookies cop, get used to it or get a different job)? Does NYPD leadership (or higher) demand an arrest? A man is dead over selling tobacco and I think it is reasonable to ask why the incident *HAD* to escalate to the level of an arrest when they issue tickets for marijuana?
I agree with every word you wrote.
And I hope you don’t find it either. I don’t live my life like Garner, but plenty of events where people get attacked by the police when they’re not living their life outside the law, including me.
None of this matters.
Eric Gardner was arguing respectfully with the police. The police then attacked him with deadly force—The choke hold has been responsible for hundreds of deaths and its use is banned by the NYC Police Department for that reason. Once he was done and dying the police (probably because of incompetence) failed to render reasonable aid.
The police need to learn to be humans again.
It’s been my experience that the police do not bother law-abiding citizens and bother those that are outside the law. I’m not asking you to be candid about your personal life, but Romans 13:1-5 is indeed real life, at least in the USA.
I’m sorry, not only have I lived it but I see the reports of police totally out of control in this country. I’m surprised that someone of your discernment has not. I’ve seen your posts and respect you, but in this case, you are wrong. I posted a very distressful experience with the police here a few days ago. Can’t go through it again, but that’s ok.
Eric Garner case: Video of chokehold’s aftermath raises new questions
CBS News called the union president for EMTs and paramedics, Israel Miranda, who said that based on the video, more should have been done.
“There was a lack of initial intervention,” Miranda said. “They were not aggressive. If they’re not breathing, assist with their ventilation. This is something that is ingrained in your training.”
The four EMS workers who responded to Garner are not with the New York City Fire Department’s union. Two are back to work while the other two remain suspended.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/second-tape-of-nypd-chokehold-raises-new-questions-in-eric-garner-case/
Paramedics in trouble, too.
In a perfect world.
Do you think the officers involved intended to kill him ?
“There was a lack of initial intervention,” Miranda said. “They were not aggressive. If they’re not breathing, assist with their ventilation. This is something that is ingrained in your training.”
THIS is what I believe the real issue should have been.
You have a guy who has undergone tremendous exertion, who is obese, diabetic, has heart disease, and is an asthmatic. He complained he can’t breathe, which is sign of an asthma attack. It was likely starting before the choke hold. That meant the brain was starving of oxygen, hence him going unconscious. After he was placed in the ambulance, he suffered cardiac arrest, again due to the brain getting no oxygen, and a weak heart.
I don’t know exactly what they did once they placed him in the ambulance, but giving him oxygen should have been their first priority. I didn’t see them doing that in the video while he lay on the sidewalk, and don’t know what happened once in the ambulance.
Maybe he could have been saved, maybe not.
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