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If guns are used without being fired at a 20-1 ratio, and shots are missed at a 8-1 ratio, and people are wounded instead of killed at a 5-1 ratio, then there would be 800 uses to one justified homicide.
1 posted on 02/23/2015 4:38:33 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

That’s plausible. I have used a firearm twice for self defense. In both cases I made it clear to the perp that I had one; both perps immediately remembered some sort of pressing engagement elsewhere ...


2 posted on 02/23/2015 4:44:44 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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One just has to watch you tube videos of self-defense shootings to see just how poorly trained some users are.

But yet they prevail over the criminals that are attacking them.

It all goes back to the number one rule have a gun.


3 posted on 02/23/2015 4:45:33 AM PST by riverrunner
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“Myth: You Must Be Highly Trained for Successful Handgun use”

True, look at the fuzz. Most of them can’t hit the broad
side of a barn. Their average is 30 rounds fired to one hit.


4 posted on 02/23/2015 5:00:51 AM PST by Slambat
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I got involved with action shooting in 2000. I disliked it. I was trained by dad who fought as a Marine in the Pacific in WW 2, how to shoot. I was taught to squeeze off shots. Not run around and shoot a bunch of targets in a certain order with only enough accuracy to hit center mass. Though I shot action matches for 7 years I was much better picking my targets at my leisure and squeezing off bullseyes.
I can draw and get on target pretty fast but my prime gun practice is to use ‘ the Patriot’s’ lesson to his boys. “Aim Small Miss Small “.

That’s just me, everyone needs to pick their own way.


6 posted on 02/23/2015 5:06:37 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marktwain

Most handguns never fire 1,000 rounds. But they are used effectively by many people.


7 posted on 02/23/2015 5:28:55 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: marktwain

Some people, too, have a knack for things.

For example, I was not highly trained (no practice shots) with my new crossbow 6 months ago.

Yet with 4 raccoons (that had killed chickens and pillaged my trashcans), the first 4 bolts I fired from crossbow ever, were direct hits (kills) on the raccoons. Illuminated sight made it easier, too.


8 posted on 02/23/2015 5:31:02 AM PST by baltimorepoet
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To: marktwain

God made man but Samuel Colt made them equal


11 posted on 02/23/2015 5:45:41 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: marktwain
The most valuable part of "gun training" is safety. After that, learn how to shoot and try different styles. I guarantee you that if a bad guy draws on you and starts firing away, you are not going to go into the Weaver Ready position, cup your one hand in the other perfectly, practice breath control, refocus your forward sight slowly into your rear sight, carefully squeeze the trigger while not anticipating recoil, take one shot, and then go into the lowered arm stance.

Watch any video dash-cam of a cop who is surprised by a thug pulling a gun. It is bedlam.

13 posted on 02/23/2015 5:53:28 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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One of my firearms instructors told me the FBI estimates there are between 2 million and 5 million legal defensive uses of firearms per year. Most go unreported to police, many “reported” or called in to police generate no official paperwork. The instructor himself had done that. Stopped a carjacking of his truck, not shots, no personal nor property damage (perp ran away scared). Called it in, no action taken. My own mother scared away someone lurking outside her open bedroom window with the classic racking of here 12 GA pump. He (probably a he) took off stumbling and crashing through the landscaping. Mom fixed it up but never even called it in.

So yes, I believe that literally hundreds of times per day firearms stop bad situations from escalating to worse. I know of these two examples out of a small group of family and friends who own/carry firearms. I also know a few people who did not or do not who have had bad things happen to them including one rape. I am convinced, overall, firearms save lives and reduce violence.


15 posted on 02/23/2015 5:58:28 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: marktwain

depends on what they mean by ‘highly trained’


17 posted on 02/23/2015 6:11:05 AM PST by Nifster
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To: marktwain

In all honesty, if you have the hand and eye coordination to use a blowdrier, and you had a squirt pistol as a kid, you can use one to your benefit in most cases.
The more training the better, but the shooting world shoots itself in the foot when they scoff at people who have little interest in making it a hobby.
We shouldn’t make people feel like using a pistol is like learning the Samurai sword and becoming a karate man.


21 posted on 02/23/2015 6:29:53 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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Articles like this one are dangerous and reckless, not giving the entire picture. Yes, most of the time if the attacker knows/sees the ‘prey’ is armed they stop. IOW youre relying on the attackers lack of backbone for protection. In all other cases youll need to shoot or flee. Most seem unaware they own each shot whether it goes into the attacker, a bystander or something not living. If you own it then youll have to give an account if you kill or wound a bystander. That and most criminals are terrible markkmen...perhaps only marginally better than someone unpracticed/trained or perhaps not. Here again youre relying on the attackers lack. It seems pretty sketchy that a defense strategy revolves around something someone else has/hasnt done....ie your safety is out of your control.

Then theres the idea of what youll do in an emergency situation. Theres a long list of studies/evidence showing that no strategy results in no affirmative action. Frankly, anyone carrying a weapon w/o training is lazy having the wrong mindset and endangering himself and those in the area.


32 posted on 02/23/2015 8:04:57 AM PST by 556x45
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The original “point and click”.


33 posted on 02/23/2015 8:12:24 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: marktwain
The most important firearms training is not about mechanical skills, it's about the will and determination to use one at need. The rest is a matter of practice.

Nevertheless, a trained shooter is nearly always going to out-perform an untrained one. You don't want to have to be subvocalizing "Let's see, tap, rack, what was it now?" in the middle of a fight for your life.

38 posted on 02/23/2015 6:26:22 PM PST by Billthedrill
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My husband and I are members of a topnotch shooting range in Charlotte. He goes three times a week for practice and we go together with another couple once or twice a week. I have really enjoyed target shooting and I'm working on my 3, 5 and 7 yard accuracy for a CCW class I'll be taking. My range gun is an H&K 9mm. Really like it but it's way too big for me to carry.

I'm not sure which gun I will carry but I'm leaning between a Sig P238 and a Ruger LC9S. I also tested a Kahr and didn't like it all. Any advice?

39 posted on 02/26/2015 8:11:56 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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