Posted on 03/10/2015 8:20:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
I believe Jesus used the miracles as a metaphorical reward for Heaven. He would thus heal the poor or the ones abused by governors, instead of helping the rich and powerful, in their faces.
If one cannot believe that God would dare come in the flesh to prove that these people were not of God and would use his powerlessness in the flesh to crucify Him, then of course, the reverse, that God would leave this flesh one day to go to Heaven or to trascend it through miracles, is only logical.
Faith is not the same as superstition. It is more like a soul treatment program, a belief that what we follow improves our lives or soul, despite all the artificial punishment and discouragement out there trying to skew or sabotage the results through direct harm, or, worse, temptation, ie. doing the harm ourselves! a belief that God helps us right ourselves when we err, just like a father would not beat a child for failing in taking his or her first steps, doing it wrong.
i agree. Ideology is kin with Fiction and fantasy and imagination.
The Bible is of special kind of historical truth, ie. one dealing with justice. You have all kinds of people trying to provoke Christ into blasphemous error, letting a woman get stoned, tempting Him, trials of false witnesses... I mean Satan threw the all the dark tricks book at Him, and the more he did, the more Christ answered confidently and with greater weight, revealing Himself more and more as God, one who knew...
It is to the point that I always mock satanists reading satan’s bible, because if they read the BiBle itself, it is where the extent of satan’s craft is best displayed alongside of God.
As a result, a document like the 10 commandments in a court is perfectly legal and equal, because it displays plainly good vs. evil, with anyone wishing to choose which side free to do so. It is not indoctrination.
I meant to say the religious can be ideological and live in a fiction, but not the believer who understands God and Christ as His father, shedding all inklings of worldly b@stardization that occured when Adam and Eve felt as b@stard children and ran from God once confused in their quantum-like dual state of good vs. evil.
Let us remember that Eisenberg came up with the duality principle after a 14 day orgy with a mistress, telling straight up to his wife he was abandoning her for this period for this very reason, in her face.
I’m going to look up spin states in pairs of particles. I don’t know much about that.
What I was referring to was complementary properties of a single particle. Velocity and position is the most well known pair of complementary properties.
“In physics, complementarity is a fundamental principle of quantum mechanics, closely associated with the Copenhagen interpretation. It holds that objects have complementary properties which cannot be measured accurately at the same time. The more accurately one property is measured, the less accurately the complementary property is measured, according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Further, a full description of a particular type of phenomenon can only be achieved through measurements made in each of the various possible bases — which are thus complementary. The complementarity principle was formulated by Niels Bohr, a leading founder of quantum mechanics.”
—Wikipedia
God’s justice is perfect:
Psalm 19:7 “The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.”
God’s Word tells us to submit ourselves to God’s Law Word, to hear it, to take it to heart, observe it, learn from it, delight in it:
Matthew 6:10 “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.”
Psalm 40:8 “I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.”
Psalm 94:12 “Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O Lord, and teachest him out of thy law;”
Psalm 119:18 “Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.”
Psalm 78:1 “Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.”
Isaiah 1:10 “Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.”
Students should be taught that evolution and creation are both religions. The big lie they are taught is that evolution is science and creation is religion.
I listened to a physics lecture and the physicist explained that this complementary property is actually wrong. Finding the speed or position means the particle has lost its quantum properties and is part of the classical physics world as a corpuscular particle. Thus we cannot talk in terms of quantum mechanic then. It is rather a failing of classical physics, its limit, rather than quantum mechanic, because quantum mechanic is accurate and very precise, without resort to such probability or ambiguity to find results or approximate them. Thus it is not quantum mechanic that imposes this rule.
What it is is that there is not a well defined border between classical physics and quantum mechanics. That switch from multiple state at once to a defined state is not clear.
also the other nuance is that if a particle is quantum, if it is in a certain state, once read, it changes its state and gives a different state than what it was right before the reading.
But it is not a rule proper to quantum mechanic that we cannot read both position and velocity at the same time, it is more a misconception due to the issue of transition area between the quantum physics to the classical physics.
“Measurement disturbs the system.” In more detail, this misconception holds that each particle really does have definite values for both position and momentum, but these definite values cannot be deter- mined because measurement of, say, a particle’s position alters the value of its momentum. (It is related to the idea of a classical picture underlying quantum mechanics mentioned in item 6.) This is a particu- larly common misconception because some arguments due to Heisenberg (“the gamma ray microscope”) and Bohr can be interpreted to support it. It is another attractive idea rendered untenable through tests of Bell’s theorem [9]. (This idea is also shown to be incorrect through “quantum eraser” arguments, as in reference [14].)
http://www.oberlin.edu/physics/dstyer/TeachQM/misconnzz.pdf
http://physicshelpforum.com/showthread.php?t=2714
Misconception – You cannot simultaneously measure both the position and the momentum of a particle.
Correct Physics – This is the wrong phrasing of Heisenberg’ s Uncertainty Principle (HUP), which actually states that the position and momentum are not simultaneously determined. This has a very different meaning than what is stated above. Uncertainty is a property of the quantum state and not determined by how measurements are done. No matter how a measurement is taken one cannot change the inherent uncertainty determined by the quantum state of the system.
--- Wikipedia
I'm sticking with that, as it matches what I've read in a multitude of books on the subject, including a book I'm currently reading: The Black Hole War: My Battle with Stephen Hawking to Make the World Safe for Quantum Mechanics by Leonard Susskind. In that book he gives an excellent description of the measurement problem.
But thanks anyway. I'm not trying to argue with you, just saying what I'm going with.
I mean the material world, which is referred to in rustic vernacular as "Creation". This is definition 3 in my Websters Seventh Tattered...
creation ... 3 : something that is created: as a : WORLD b : creatures singly or in aggregate ...
You know, it was not Evolution, but Newton that elevated science to a comprehensive system and put it in a position where it challenged religion as a fundamental viewpoint. This was crystallized in Halley's Ode To Newton, contained in a prefix to Newton's Principia Mathematica.
The ode contains the statement ( in Motte's translation)
Here ponder too the Laws which God,
Framing the universe, set not aside
but made the fixed foundations of his work.
This was quite controversial because it seemed to indicate that God was in fact BOUND by these Laws. In fact, through the efforts of a zealous churchman, it was censored, or softened, in some later editions, and was only restored in relatively modern times.
The latin is possibly more forceful, containing the phrase "omniparens Leges Creator violare noluit" ... "Universal Laws the Creator was unwilling to violate" ... heady stuff.
Except that Nature seems to have its own opinions, which is only to be expected if we consider that we, in our bodily incarnations, are part of Nature.
In fact, Uncertainty is what holds up the world! It determines the finite size of atoms, as seen by considering this thumbnail calculation of the Bohr radius based on Uncertainty:
An electron is attracted to a proton, so why doesn't it just stick to it, at rest? ... Because this would confine it to a space smaller than is allowed by "delta x * delta p > h"
Since the average x and p ( vectors ) are both zero, the uncertainty represents the required size and energy of the ground state orbit. If we have p2/2m = e2/r, and p = h/r, then r = h2/2me2, which is the Bohr radius, "to within a factor of order Unity".
This ground state is a caldron of activity, with the electric field of the proton constantly "sampling" the position of the electron via the exchange of virtual photons. Just roll your eyes back and grok!
There is so much BS science taught out there. Plenty of theories in school books have been completely proven wrong and yet are still being taught, to the great frustration of scientists even.
I already exposed here the Heisenberg idea that reading position affects reading velocity accurately, which is a wrong reinterpretation in many college books.
There also is the experiment of Rutherford of alpha particles flung on gold foil. Some texts explain that most of the alphas bounce off, when it is the contrary, most go through, except a few bounce, indicating that matter is mostly made of void.
And today there are hundreds of pyshics theories and ideas proliferating like crazy getting research moneys that are completely false and do not corelate with experiments at all.
Politicians always think they are going to get something they can tax, something for free, so they make these crazy investments in every directions.
Not sure if nature as an opinion. Whatever it is, it is finite and fixed for good in the realm of classical physics, pretty much as a “statue-equation”. In the classical physical world we observe directly and of which evolution is part, there simply is not the capacity to acquire shapes or states as is inherently possible for particles at the quantum level. Thus evolution is severely restricted, not to mention mere odds and confronting the constant counter current of entropy itself.
Even an unlimited adaptability, or one greater than the number of tries needed to obtain a survivable subsequent specie, the species set is finite, even considering advanced species from another world or time.
There is not an infinite number of species possible through evolution, but, rather, it is much more likely that the course of evolution is following a specific equation within which a certain number of types of species will occure or would occure in various set scenarios. It is a limited opinion governed by a differential chaotic equation.
Within that limitation of evolution, man can intervene by designing proteines or randomly producing proteine and selecting them and testing them for viability.
To think that nature has all the answers an opinions, that it is some kind of infallible parent that got us there through random processes, is attributing a characteristic that is not natural to nature, it is to nearly deify nature.
The other question is one of the “draggons”. Some sorts of specie that is super adaptable and very aggressively conceived, one above all others in adaptability simply does not exist.
Why is it the turtle of the Gallapagos adapt a long nexk to reach tree leaves on one island that are much higher perched than on another island, and yet have not been trying to, say, grow wings instead?
The idea of the intermediary state and current stability of adaptation vs. stabilty of ecosystem is intriguing, as if evolution occured within specific limits. In any case a fixed formula governs the energies of a specie “chooses” to expand given a challenging environment in order to adapt to survive. Yet environments evolve too and change at different speeds.
When comes to the production of antibodies, an animal constantly reinvest parts of its energies into producing a variety of possible genes to defend against future pathogens, and this independently of the pathogenic challenge out there. It does not seem that such energies is also devoted to all the environments beyond the immediate ones with which the specie interacts. Why? Why not?
In any case, “draggons” do not occur naturaly to rule the world, or at least not yet. It would take the imagination of man to essentialy reshape the nature for the better, for stronger and more intelligent species.
And whether nature has had its opinion until now, man, being a superimposed being, will have its say through genetics design, and hopefully intelligent ones, it is inevitable. The genie is out of the bottle and evolution by itself is not alone anymore to “evolve” the world.
That is much more important and relevant than the dispute as to how evolution operates. In some ways we might do classical gene distribution testings in random fashion letting nature/chance do its work, and in others where such inefficient thermodynamic expense is not viable, the design will be done directly.
Can you see hubris in that ?
That’s kind of the point I was making, that the hubris, if you will, of Science started with Newton, not Darwin. Halley was accused of “irreligion” but he followed convention in these matters, at least. Of coursed Newton was very pious, but also very heterodox in his beliefs, not to say kooky.
By 1741, the Royal Society was a den of mockers led by an outspoken unbeliever, according to the account of one William Stukey, who stated that the Society president was “an errant infidel and loud scoffer.”
It's a quantum world from top to bottom. The "classical world" is just our experience of the quantum world in aggregate. That was the point I was making with the importance of Quantum Uncertainty as the foundation of "normal matter" that we experience as classical objects.
In the case of biology, the life processes and of course the genetic code are founded directly on the behavior of atoms and molecules, which can only be meaningfully described by QM.
Yes !
Thanks for saying what you posted.
That whole era, its intellectual elites - were all in bed with the political and business/finance elites. In essence, the intellectuals were all working in various capacities for the top firms of the day or top universities, which were also under the influence of the same people, since the head of government was as were much of the religious leadership, and they dictated what was ok and not ok in universities.
So... if you’re an intellectual back then in the UK and you come up with stuff the bankers like, you’re welcomed into their circles and taken care of with pay and pension - your career takes off, you have the freedom to work on all your exciting projects. On the other hand, if they have no use for your projects, or don’t like your views... no job at East India Company, no teaching position at the university, no published works, the “word spreads” that you’re “anti-modernity” or something, etc.
The financial elites then were the direct forebearers of the elite globalists that we see today; it goes back before the Rothschilds were players. Other similar families were the power bankers then, but the modus operandi was the same. Get the king in your back pocket by helping him with inside espionage information, financial and scientific acumen, arranging for the king to borrow fat sums, expertise in international trade, war, diplomacy, put the locals to work in your factories, trade in slaves, gold, opium, spices, textiles, get the local aristocracy and the crown to invest in all your ventures, etc.
The financial elites wind up being at the center of everything, in a position to control all matters of significance. Where are the jobs, what does food cost, what laws are passed, when do we go to war, etc.
I try to get folks on FR to see that our American elites today in finance, education, government, law, etc., are all sprouted from roots in the UK in those days, that is, THAT is why America is in the state it is in.
That’s the actual “special relationship” our government heads talk about the US having with the UK.
Yes, the financial elites, and by extension all their “minions” / intellectuals, are not true believers in anything but their own power; and that’s their “religion”. Same goes for today. Which is why “conservative” politicians simply parrot the lines they are fed the same way “liberal” politicians do - they both work for the same people. As does the leadership of the top universities. Intellectuals are STILL - after several centuries - still simply functioning as scribblers for their financial elite lords, coming up with theories that their lords, uh, suggest as perhaps interesting directions of study. Number one rule for them: keep working at undermining Christianity, even if only one tiny step at a time, even in the most indirect way. ABC - anything BUT Christ. Then, don’t ever undermine the Sales of the elites’ favorite industries like medical, defense, energy, etc. Don’t think your 5 cent cancer cure that actually works is ever going to make it to market, etc. Your science has to be able to be used to suck enormous sums of cash out of the sheeple, either directly as products or services (preferably produced in a poor country and consumed in a wealthy country), or through the government spending on products or services and of course the sheeple paying the bill. Any research that is sick, twisted, warped - the elites love it and it will “find” plenty of funding. The “medicine” that slowly kills over 10-20 years, that’s the “goldmine”; help the patient “live” with their condition. We’ll work on “cures” down the road. Always “in the future”. Never time or money to work on a real understanding and cure today, even if those idiots wearing t-shirts going on walks walk around the world and back, the “donation” money simply allows for-profit research companies to increase their profits (what a slick idea).
This globalist cabal (lol) “does not exist” yet most people adhere to their directives in lock step, and most people don’t even realize that they are.
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