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We already have this for over 40% of the population.
1 posted on 05/20/2015 8:27:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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The parasites are getting better organized,not a good thing.
Plus they seem to be actively recruiting.


2 posted on 05/20/2015 8:34:31 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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But who would ask me “Would I like fries with my order?”


3 posted on 05/20/2015 8:35:21 PM PDT by ThomasThomas ("YOUR BADGE! SHOW HIM YOUR BADGE!")
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Sooner or later, you run out of other peoples’ money.

Why would I work if I know that I’m paying for everyone else to have a decent life without working? Why not be like them? Stay at home and wait for my check.

And if everyone decides to give up on working, the government may find revenue generation challenging.


4 posted on 05/20/2015 8:35:36 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("It's not easy being drunk all the time; everyone would do it, if it were easy.")
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Guy’s had WAAAYYY too much KOOLAIDE.


6 posted on 05/20/2015 8:38:07 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Ready for Teddy. Cruz, that is. Texas conservative.)
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7 posted on 05/20/2015 8:40:19 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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> says Santens, who lives in New Orleans

Says all I need to know.


8 posted on 05/20/2015 8:45:01 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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I say give him a monthly stipend. In exchange he has to agree to be sterilized.


9 posted on 05/20/2015 8:46:11 PM PDT by BBell (Cult of the Sacred Drunken Wookiee)
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who believe that governments should provide every citizen with a monthly stipend big enough to cover life’s basic necessities.

And who apparently don't believe that this will lead to EVEN MORE people who choose not to work. More and more and more. Why should they bother? And with less people working there are less and less who provide the tax dollars that fund this stupid guaranteed income BS.

Is it any wonder basic economics is not taught anymore? This mentality creates an every growing pool of leeches.

10 posted on 05/20/2015 8:46:35 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me. Eventually, there will be more takers than donors.


11 posted on 05/20/2015 8:46:45 PM PDT by Signalman
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It’s called being a government employee...


12 posted on 05/20/2015 8:47:03 PM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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Just have the government print more money, better yet give all of us a printing press. Next problem.


13 posted on 05/20/2015 8:49:42 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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What happens when the men forget how to fish and the robot breaks down. Can the men live on the hydraulic fluid?


15 posted on 05/20/2015 8:50:44 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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I’ve got no problem with people who want to contribute - they have the right to be foolish with their own money. Just don’t demand mine.


17 posted on 05/20/2015 8:55:38 PM PDT by GilesB
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What if everyone didn’t have to work to get paid?

Then only the people who wanted to wrk for their own dignity would work. Of course then they’d be paying for those who choose to not work, along with those who truly cannot, which is, what? Ten percent

Duh

That’s what we have now


18 posted on 05/20/2015 8:57:52 PM PDT by stanne
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Job growth isn’t keeping pace with government. When you have HS librarians making $150K a year and then retiring on 75% of that, you’ve got a lot of private sector job destruction going on.

The trouble with jobs and job creation is government.


19 posted on 05/20/2015 8:59:36 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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Societies and governments throughout history have tried this same scheme again and again.

Reaching the “bread and circuses” stage is not a sign of a healthy society.


21 posted on 05/20/2015 9:07:01 PM PDT by PGR88
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If you build a man a fire he will be warm for a night. If you light a man on fire he will be warm for the rest of his life.


22 posted on 05/20/2015 9:08:16 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For views of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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I’m all for basic free income. In return, you voluntarily forfeit your right to vote - on anything.

Fair is fair.


24 posted on 05/20/2015 9:55:31 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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Why limit ourselves to just a free “basic income” for everyonewho doesn’t want to work? Wouldn’t it be better to just give each person in the U.S. a trillion dollar coin for not working? Then everyone who doesn’t work would be RICH and not have to exist at just a subsistence level. Furthermore, everyone could buy anything they wanted and no one would ever have to work again. The coins could be made from a base metal, so they would be cheap to make, and a few extra ones could be minted for the government itself, so taxes could be completely eliminated and yet government could still function. It’s such an elegant solution I don’t know why it hasn’t been implemented yet.

BTW, when I get my trillion dollar coin for not working I’m going to buy a pony and the Denver Broncos. Oh, and then I’m going to buy my own private jet airplane and the Mona Lisa, and then ...


25 posted on 05/20/2015 9:56:26 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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I do not think this concept is necessarily socialist / communist. The proponent is arguing that technology will make work irrelevant. Is that true? Maybe.

Conservatives need to think long and hard about the role of intellectual property rights. Should we support open-sourcing everything? I think not. The founders put the very reason for ip law in the Constitution: “To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries”.

This is not natural law. Natural law gives me the right to own things. Ip law is a social contract and as such relies on the consent of the governed. Are we being served? Big corporations buy, sell and create ip. Little people, not so much any more, even though the original intent was to benefit the actual inventors and other creative types such as authors.

We the people are giving up the right to make copies of movies, music, books. We are giving up the right to reverse engineer every product and make it cheaper. We give up the right to duplicate pharmaceuticals for a fraction of their cost. Why? Because it encourages innovation. What do we get in return? Access to these innovations, inventions, works of art.

Is this a fair deal? I think ip rights should be on the negotiating table.

Look at it this way - if the director of engineering at Google is correct, computer power will match the intelligence of human beings within the next 12 years or so. And computing power and robotics will get better and cheaper so that we could theoretically have machines that do all of the work we could do, only better.

Who should have the right to financially exploit this scientific progress? Only Google? Only Facebook? Only Amazon?

We need to look at how wealth is created. It is created by work, innovation, and exploitation of natural resources (i.e. putting them to use for work or innovation). I am not really aware of any other ways wealth is created. (I am open to suggestions.)

I do not think a living wage from the government is absolutely against conservative principles. I think that if it is based on the value that the government can create by protecting ip rights through laws and treaties, and based on tariffs applied to imports, then it could be one possible conservative approach to the changing face of technological progress.

I add the following caveats though. It should be given to every citizen regardless of how rich or poor or anything else they are. It should not come from borrowed revenue (printing money is a hidden tax), and it should not come from income tax (which should be abolished anyway). It could come from tariffs and taxes on goods that receive ip protection.

Then what will be the incentive to work and invent? To have more than a living wage. All of the things that are protected by ip laws cost money and may be out of reach to those who just have a living wage.

A living wage could replace all of the broken government programs and consolidate them into a simple system.

My two cents. Hopefully will not provoke knee-jerk reactions. Intended to provoke thought. I am open to have my opinions picked apart and proven faulty, but please put a little thought into it if that is the intention.


26 posted on 05/20/2015 10:04:42 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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