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Journey Drummer Deen Castronovo Charged With Rape, Sexual Assault
nbcnews.com ^ | Jul 1 2015 | Reuters

Posted on 07/02/2015 7:09:22 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

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To: momtothree

This is not the original drummer so it’s the fake Journey.


21 posted on 07/02/2015 8:03:19 AM PDT by angcat
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To: 5thGenTexan

That verse says she has authority over his body, too. If she tells him to stop, he should. Don’t try to use God’s word to condone the abuse of a person.


Yes, it goes both ways. But both are very clear. She can refuse and he can force. They are married. They gave consent when they gave their vows.

But the particular verse is pretty specific in its instruction. It’s talking about withholding sex and even warns of what happens when you do it. My pastor at the time had some interesting words for my then wife and she was quite angry with him. I learned a lot in those days and my current wife of 17 years is reaping the benefits - as am I.

I’m not “using” God’s word. I’m quoting it. Let the reader understand.


22 posted on 07/02/2015 8:04:54 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf
You are using the same argument of word definitions and semantics the Left uses to justify the War on Women tag.

Trying to make a case that God somehow meant we can have non-consensual sex with our wives because "we own their body" turns people away from God.

You are helping to fuel the "my body, my choice" crowd.

23 posted on 07/02/2015 8:09:13 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: massgopguy

No kidding. Who the hell is Deen whoever? Steve Smith WAS Journey’s rhythm section.


24 posted on 07/02/2015 8:09:21 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: 5thGenTexan

You are helping to fuel the “my body, my choice” crowd.


Just the opposite. I’m saying that the bible says that when you get married it is no longer just your body, but your spouses as well.

And those destined to accept Christ understand that. Those that are not will NEVER understand.

On a related note, I’m a Christian that believes that the fate of the lost is that the second death is, in fact, death and annihilation. What’s interesting is that when I bring that up in anti-Christian threads on other sites, the anti-Christians start arguing that the bible clearly teaches that the fate of the lost is eternal suffering and they use it as their primary proof that Christianity is nuts.

I mean, their opinion desperately needs the bible to teach that. When I point out that it is a false teaching, their heads explode because the whole dynamic of Him being a LOVING God shifts in their minds.


25 posted on 07/02/2015 8:14:01 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

You are helping to fuel the “my body, my choice” crowd.


BTW, my current wife has read “The Submissive Wife” and wholeheartedly agrees with its contents. We will NEVER get feminists to agree with it OR the bible without accepting Christ as their savior, so why pander to their anti-Christian sentiments.

The bible says what it says and I make no apologies for it. 1 Corinthians is pretty darned clear, even in the original Greek. Our culture just doesn’t like it and completely misses the wisdom - wisdom which my wife and I embrace and which allows us to live a life of joy that was quite literally beyond my comprehension before we met.


26 posted on 07/02/2015 8:16:51 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Wife said she had a drumming headache.


27 posted on 07/02/2015 8:46:56 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: cuban leaf
Your argument leaves out the "and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does" part of the equation.
28 posted on 07/02/2015 8:52:57 AM PDT by WayneS (Yeah, it's probably sarcasm...)
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To: cardinal4

She did wait Patiently for her chance to Escape.


29 posted on 07/02/2015 8:55:46 AM PDT by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: WayneS

Your argument leaves out the “and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does” part of the equation.


Actually, no. I’m including both.

I’m merely suggesting that both are admonished to always allow the other to meet their sexual appetite via their spouse.

But I’m also addressing the overall point of the verse. It’s about marrying to meet your sexual appetite, as opposed to getting it quenched elsewhere. When you refuse your spouse because “their body is yours”, you are violating the scripture and twisting its meaning. It’s really pretty plain when you think of it as plainly speaking to people like you and me, which it is.


30 posted on 07/02/2015 10:11:51 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf
I’m merely suggesting that both are admonished to always allow the other to meet their sexual appetite via their spouse.

And I am suggesting that you are wrong. The admonishment is to have and show mutual respect. If one spouse is genuinely and honestly simply not in the mood for sex then that spouse is not being admonished to "give in anyway", and the other partner is definitely not being given license to "take it" anyway.

31 posted on 07/02/2015 10:20:51 AM PDT by WayneS (Yeah, it's probably sarcasm...)
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To: WayneS

If one spouse is genuinely and honestly simply not in the mood for sex then that spouse is not being admonished to “give in anyway”, and the other partner is definitely not being given license to “take it” anyway.


Actually, that is exactly the opposite of how I see it. It doesn’t mean one is in the right by forcing himself on the other, but it does mean one is in the wrong by refusing to participate. That is my point. This specific scripture deals with the latter. It deals with the former in other verses.


32 posted on 07/02/2015 10:29:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: massgopguy

Extreme had some great music before Gary went VH. 3 Sides was one of the finest engineered albums ever.
Did you read why Eddie said he “fired” Gary, because of his stage clothes.
I think Eddie has some loose marbles rolling around, but then don’t all great artist?


33 posted on 07/02/2015 11:23:05 AM PDT by rikkir (Anyone still believe the 8/08 Atlantic cover wasn't 100% accurate?)
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To: massgopguy

Technically, then, Aynsley Dunbar is the drummer for Journey.


34 posted on 07/03/2015 9:21:16 AM PDT by Wolfie
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