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To: Finny
Thanx, Finny

Then the question is;

who or what started the first shot?

The cops were already there anticipating (or hoping for) trouble

14 posted on 10/21/2015 11:58:45 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf
who or what started the first shot?

That's one question and it's a good question. Another good one is, "Why were the Waco Police sitting in their cars as the situation escalated?"

17 posted on 10/21/2015 12:05:28 PM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: knarf; don-o
No one knows who fired the first shot. Police claim it was bikers. Some eye witnesses claim it was bikers. Understand as well that "bikers" may have been either undercover officers posing as bikers, or informants who stood to gain either financially or through legal leniency by cooperating with police. So it is entirely up in the air.

You might also be interested to know that out of 177 people arrested, charged with conspiracy to commit murder and/or aggravated assault, and held on $1 million bail for two weeks to more than a month, all but one were Texas residents and fully two thirds -- 117 of them -- had totally clean records in the state of Texas.

Of the ones arrested with prior records, a tiny percentage had serious charges in their pasts, such as aggravated assault, robbery, and meth manufacture and selling. Most were minor things like DUIs, possession of pot, or illegal carry of a firearm.

I have been around bikers all my life, mostly independent bikers but a few club bikers, ranging from Hells Angels and very bad dudes to guys who ride with benign clubs such as Bikers Against Child Abuse. I will tell you certain sure that the true bad-dude bikers who assault, extort, kidnap, rob, and murder, all have records as long as your arm that date back to their early 20s if not earlier, and that they make up a very tiny percentage of all bikers.

Also, I will tell you certain sure that to begin an armed conflict in such a public setting as the Twin Peaks restaurant/COCI meeting is totally out of character.

I think that LEO is lying through their teeth on this, and I think the whole thing, the mass arrest of mostly patriotic innocent law-abiding people, was a Fed-led operation and the local Waco cops are the fall guys.

22 posted on 10/21/2015 12:11:16 PM PDT by Finny (Voting "against" is a wish. Be ready to own what you vote for.)
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