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F-35 May Never Be Ready for Combat
CENTER FOR DEFENSE INFORMATION AT POGO ^ | September 9, 2016 | By: Dan Grazier & Mandy Smithberger

Posted on 09/09/2016 10:10:59 PM PDT by US Navy Vet

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To: ganeemead

Russian goals:
Battlefield Superiority
Effective Battle Troops
EMP weapons, 5th gen aircraft
Actually win conflicts/defeat enemies

US goals:
Gays, Trannies safe spaces in military
Women in combat even if lying about capabilities
Ships (LCS) and planes (f35) that do not work
Arming ISIS
Don’t hurt Barry’s muslim jihad brothers


21 posted on 09/09/2016 11:10:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

That is certainly the impression you get....


22 posted on 09/09/2016 11:16:13 PM PDT by ganeemead
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To: Noob1999

The Obama admin tried to, but failed. Rare win for us over the last 7 years...


23 posted on 09/09/2016 11:18:31 PM PDT by piytar (http://www.truthrevolt.org/videos/bill-whittle-number-one-bullet)
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To: ganeemead

You can’t have a superpower existing if you want a global government.

It is also the reason they have declared war on the christian white countries and their cultures, and no where else.

Whites are too intelligent (as a group, Bell Curve) and do not go with the flow of things - they muck up the works because they have much larger numbers that derail globalist plans potentially.

It is why they have gone after white men in particular to get them out of positions of power. Replace them with women and minorities that will not rock the boat or say no to idiotic pc bullsh1t. Not all whte guys like this, but enough that it’s a known problem. They know women go with the flow and follow zero tolerance/pc bullcrap orders despite not agreeing.


24 posted on 09/09/2016 11:22:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Well put.


25 posted on 09/09/2016 11:25:03 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: US Navy Vet

People don’t remember the 1980s when the F-16 was the problem child. Along with the mountain of technical problems, we were losing anywhere between 12 and 20 aircraft per year and killing 6-8 pilots per year. How about FY82 when the Class A mishap rate was 15.83/100,000 flight hours with 16 destroyed jets vs. a rate of 1-3 per 100,000 flight hours in the 2000s with ONE unsuccessful ejection in 15 years (and that was because the pilot attempted ejection above 600 knots and about 2 seconds before the jet went in). How many crashes have the F-35 had? And don’t tell me that they’re grounded due to maintenance problems, I live 3 miles from an AF base where they’re buzzing the place like fireflies.

How about Vietnam, when the new killer F-111 went in and the VC turned them into scrap metal at a rate that got McNamara titillated? How about the AV-8 “Widowmaker”?

What’s the difference today? The ability to whip up hysteria via the internet and people who will believe anything (the slobbering believers of cold fusion and engines that are 500% efficient here at FR are proof of that).


26 posted on 09/09/2016 11:26:00 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Love Lockheed Martin’s MLRS but the F-35...there needs to be charges for letting this go on so long.


27 posted on 09/09/2016 11:30:49 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: dr_lew

The problem with your theory is this:
The equipment is still on the moon and is still visible from Earth with a high-powered telescope. You can probably see the American flag too!


28 posted on 09/09/2016 11:36:11 PM PDT by MIA_eccl1212 (10 rounds 10 meters 10 seconds 10 centimetres)
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To: US Navy Vet

I just read a news report a few days ago on the F-35B VTOL.

The Marine Corps just completed a three month test on it and rated it excellent in every category.

Every new major weapon system the USA builds seems to go through this same “complete disaster” phase for several years.

Then, miraculously, they all become the best, or one of the best, weapon systems in the world.


29 posted on 09/09/2016 11:50:28 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: US Navy Vet
Things that make ya go HUMMM.........

I keep having the uneasy feeling that many "programs" can never be completed as intended. The other military-related program that comes easily to mind in the "littoral" stealth coastal defense warships.

In the non-military arena there are of course many more examples. Self-driving cars, cell phone controlled homes, computerized critical civilization infrastructure, e.g. the electrical grid, water and sewage treatment plants, safety in the world transportation system, including all land and water transportation as well as the obvious air-travel system.

What could all these seemingly unrelated things have in common?

Hmmmmm... indeed!

30 posted on 09/09/2016 11:57:25 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: publius911

See A-12 “Avenger”/1 Billion $s and all we got was a drawing.


31 posted on 09/09/2016 11:59:24 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Trump Train!!!)
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To: MIA_eccl1212
The equipment is still on the moon and is still visible from Earth with a high-powered telescope.

You see? You see? The mythos has already set in. What you say is entirely false. The Apollo landing site images are from lunar orbiter craft, such as the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) . Once these are gone, and knowledge of them has been forgotten ( already happening, ) ignorant remarks such as you just made will be shot down in a second.

32 posted on 09/10/2016 12:05:46 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: bjc
I think the report is worth an “Oh sh*t!” at the very least.

For all the good that will do.

The missing ingredients are common sense, rendered useless by sclerotic thinking and planning, hampered by bureaucratic inefficiencies and "political correctness," in more forms than we are equipped or allowed to deal with.

The whole subject feels maddeningly useless.

I used to believe that our demise would be caused by political correctness, but there is a new much more intractable and fatal stupidity : the imbecilic phrase, "That's not who we are."

33 posted on 09/10/2016 12:20:58 AM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: dr_lew
... I must add, it’s my firm conviction that no human will ever set foot on the moon again. And ancillary to that, within 100 years it will be widely accepted that the Apollo moon landings are a myth.

Since I can't unlearn everything I know, including science, physics and history, I have to refute that conviction.
At least to the extent of the stated 100 years.

At least three arrays of retroreflectors (also called retroprisms) were left on the moon. Although their efficacy will certainly degrade to the point of uselessness through deterioration of their precisely ground surfaces by micrometeorite action, it will take far far longer than 100 years.

Since they are all pretty much constantly visible from the earth, their existence can be confirmed by instruments as primitive as the telescopes used by Galileo to discover the Jovian moons.

It is impossible for naturally occuring retroreflectors to exist.

34 posted on 09/10/2016 12:49:11 AM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: dr_lew

So the pictures from Mt Palomar will be classified as fakes then right?


35 posted on 09/10/2016 2:11:03 AM PDT by MIA_eccl1212 (10 rounds 10 meters 10 seconds 10 centimetres)
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To: US Navy Vet

Trump is the only one brave enough to cut this program


36 posted on 09/10/2016 2:15:44 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: faithhopecharity

that 7 trillion will mean nothing compared to, what at this point, seems like chinese and Russian air superiority soon, and we will be playing catch up too late.

China wont wait for us to update or add to our forces, when they keep the new island by force.


37 posted on 09/10/2016 2:16:41 AM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: US Navy Vet
“is actually not on a path toward success, but instead on a path toward failing to deliver the full Block 3F capabilities for which the Department is paying almost $400 billion.”

Reminds me of Sen Dirksen's comment,....A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.....

38 posted on 09/10/2016 2:20:51 AM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

How about when funding was halted for the Bell-Boeing V-22 tiltrotor aircraft? (Dick Cheney did that under Bush 41) ....It was later restored and the aircraft is now lauded by the Marines and Air Force.


39 posted on 09/10/2016 3:08:32 AM PDT by octex
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To: dr_lew
And ancillary to that, within 100 years it will be widely accepted that the Apollo moon landings are a myth.

Yes, The alternative is admitting we aren't as capable as those primitives in the 1960's.

40 posted on 09/10/2016 3:50:24 AM PDT by null and void (Has there ever been a death associated with the Clintons that *wasn't* beneficial to them?)
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