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[One America News Network Telephone Poll] National Polling Results(Trump 50%, Clinton 50%D+7 Sample,
[One America News Network Telephone Poll via Gravis Marketing ^ | October 20th through the 23rd

Posted on 10/25/2016 10:46:41 PM PDT by Helicondelta

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To: Fai Mao

And the problem of all pollsters is when applying the weights acccording to the last election that may turn out to be correct or.......totally wrong.


21 posted on 10/25/2016 11:20:02 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Helicondelta

There were about 125.9 million adult women in the United States in 2014. The number of men was 119.4 million. At age 85 and older, there were almost twice as many women as men (4 million vs. 2.1 million). People under 21 years of age made up over a quarter of the U.S. population (27.1%), and people age 65 and over made up one-seventh (14.5%).[13] The national median age was 36.8 years in 2009.[13]
About 2% more women than men so they overweighed women as well.


22 posted on 10/25/2016 11:32:42 PM PDT by wiggen (#JeSuisCharlie)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Correct. But they honestly have few other options

One way to correct the problem is to weight the same data differently and say

If the election is +7 D it will look like this
If the election is +4 D it will Look like this
If the election is +2 R it will look like this

But that would mean admitting that the pollster is, at some point just making an educated guess

BTW I think Trump takes about 53% of the vote or a good solid win. I hope I’m wrong and he gets more.


23 posted on 10/25/2016 11:33:03 PM PDT by Fai Mao (PIAPS for Prison 2016)
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To: Timpanagos1

“A pollster can oversample on age, race, gender and income”

Saw a white paper the other day analyzing different poll methodologies in relation to the 2012 election. One of the conclusions:

“Demographic post-stratification, similar to that used in most academic and media polls, is inadequate”

It basically concludes that the LA Times/Daybreak methodology is the most accurate.

http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/unpublished/swing_voters.pdf


24 posted on 10/25/2016 11:42:45 PM PDT by Helicondelta (Deplorable)
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To: Helicondelta

Doing two-candidate polls is stupid, when Gary Johnson is on the ballot in all fifty states plus D.C., and is polling (though probably won’t get) mid single digits.


25 posted on 10/26/2016 12:05:36 AM PDT by Trump20162020
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To: Fai Mao
I think I would strike the word "educated" and just reduce it to a simple "guess." The polls are utter nonsense, especially this time around. For one thing, it is ludicrous to attempt to proportion the polling sample according to demographic distribution, and then assume that everyone in a certain group will vote the same way.

If polling were the exact science that it is being so grossly misrepresented as, then why bother with holding elections at all? Just determine who wins based upon a poll. We're currently being told relentlessly that the election is over and Hillary has won, based upon nothing but minuscule samples of anywhere from a few hundred to a couple of thousand people which pollsters purport are representative of the intentions of over 100 million voters. Nonsense.

I think astrologers would be as accurate as pollsters. One simple question: If political polling has any validity at all, then how is it that various polls reach such wildly different conclusions? They love to cite the "margin of error" of their polls, as if the intentions of unpredictable humans can be measured with a micrometer. Well then, the margin of error for all of the polls as a group must be something like + or - 10 or 12% since that is about how far apart some of them are.

The polling scam is starting to closely resemble the climate modeling scam. Both are being used to drive an agenda and both are highly dependent upon the assumptions that are made, assumptions which we know are being manipulated in both cases to reach desired "results."

Bottom line: Ignore the phony polls and vote Trump. We ARE going to win.

26 posted on 10/26/2016 12:08:46 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: AU72

I would say this even if they had Trump ahead. Registered Voter polls this late in the game are total BS.


27 posted on 10/26/2016 12:19:03 AM PDT by OrangeHoof ("If you cain't run yo own house, you cain't run da White House. Cain't do it." - Michelle Obama)
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To: Trump20162020

GRAVIS last week had Trump -4 , so this is up 4 from last week.
Great NEWS!!


28 posted on 10/26/2016 12:42:19 AM PDT by JDH777
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To: BeadCounter

It’s just another way of saying Trump up 7. Of course, without saying Trump up 7. Which must never be said. Especially not on Her Thighness’ Birthday.


29 posted on 10/26/2016 1:12:39 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Helicondelta

LOL. Pubbies refuse to play? Sorry, don’t cut it. Pure bovine scat. Thresholds for demographics means you ain’t done until the requirement is met. If it is easier for CNN to find libtards that is their fault. If they can’t find enough Pubbies to do a legit poll they need to either quit polling or change their bias.


30 posted on 10/26/2016 1:17:16 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Timpanagos1

Weighting polls is self selection. A truly random poll of 1012 voters without weighting is +/- 4% accurate.


31 posted on 10/26/2016 3:21:41 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Helicondelta

Nationally, unless R stay home, the D v R is about 32 to 28. Any poll sampling about 4-5% is off on its sampling.

Again this would infer a tight/close race with a slight lead for Trump nationally.

If Trump is truly up only a few points nationally, the threat of a Trump win in popular vote but a Hillary Clinton EC vote is very real. Trump needs about 3-4% national lead to ensure that this scenario is not likely.

Assuming the monster vote is real, Trump has this handily... If it doesn’t and this poll is remotely accurate, could be a long night... And 2000 all over again.


32 posted on 10/26/2016 3:31:19 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: wastoute

Nah, true weight if a pure random sample of significant size is made should give you D+4 that’s about the registration difference between the parties.

R clearly have an enthusiasm advantage that may make Election Day Delta smaller than plus 4, but that is conjecture.

Not sure how they weighted this thing, but if it’s just no weighting adjustment and raw responses the 3 point D over sample would put trump up 2-3. If they reweighted the results before publishing to reflect a D+4 instead of their raw sample size then that’s not the case


33 posted on 10/26/2016 3:36:14 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Fai Mao

Actually reweighting the samples to what you expect turnout to be is valid mathematically, but it does increase the margin of error. So this poll could be relighted as you suggest but for every deviation from the raw sampling you go, the MOE goes up.


34 posted on 10/26/2016 3:40:15 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Helicondelta

Disappointing to see OAN publish this overweighted D+7 poll...I thought they were the honest news media.


35 posted on 10/26/2016 3:43:37 AM PDT by newfreep ("If Lyin' Ted was an American citizen, he would be a traitor.")
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To: Helicondelta

They are showing what it looks like with the 2012 model and that’s very good news since the 2012 model will not be duplicated this year.


36 posted on 10/26/2016 3:47:01 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Helicondelta

Trump will paint the US red...Hillary will be blue...


37 posted on 10/26/2016 3:58:41 AM PDT by ConservaTeen (Islam is Not the Religion of Peace, but The RELIGION of Pedophilia...)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA It’s 50/50 with a D+7 sample!!!! YES!!!


38 posted on 10/26/2016 4:19:52 AM PDT by KavMan
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To: Helicondelta
"Gravis Marketing, a nonpartisan research firm, conducted a random survey of 2,109 registered voters across the United States. The poll was conducted from October 20th through the 23rd and has a margin of error of ±2.1% at the 95% confidence level."

Can sample size eleventy billion and if it's RV instead of LV ... oh well ...

39 posted on 10/26/2016 4:24:30 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (PS - "May you live in interesting times." The interesting times have just arrived.)
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To: BeadCounter

Looks like they added some Podesta sauce to make it look like it was tied.

Pray America wakes


40 posted on 10/26/2016 5:12:55 AM PDT by bray (Because you would be in jail)
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