Posted on 02/08/2017 4:24:19 AM PST by marktwain
Graphic from Zweit Online
Hundreds of illegal guns have been sent into Germany through the postal system, with websites offering the service.
The following summation was sent to me by a source who compiled it from a number of English language translations.
Germany’s largest newspaper is reporting that hundreds of people have been caught buying illegal firearms in order to protect themselves from migrants.
The largest of the websites selling guns has been shut down and its user data has been handed over to the police and journalists.
According to claims elsewhere in the German media, people who were buying the weapons come from all different political and socio-economic backgrounds. Many are unaware they are breaking the law and cite rising fears of being threatened by anti-social migrants as the primary reason for their purchase.
Reporters from the Sueddeutsche newspaper tracked down one of the sites’ users, a doctor from Munich, who told reporters: “People from other countries, of course, have different ideas about how to behave in society. Uncontrolled immigration is a problem, we need a 180-degree u-turn.”
Reports suggest there was a spike in sales after the Cologne sex attacks on New Year’s Eve last year.
It is believed the weapons are purchased in Hungary, where they are legal, then posted unchecked into Germany through the EU’s open borders.
A well used revolver costs around 349 euros, a Kalashnikov 749 euros. Some of the customers paid up to 4,000 euros. By the end of January 2017, according to the data, the Online shop received orders for more than 150,000 euros.
(source, in German, “Zeit Online”)
Criminal use was virtually nonexistant. I have only been able to find one case, where an anti-tank gun was used to break into a Brinks Vault in 1965. In that case the gun and ammunition were stolen.
When there is a will there is a way.
I thought that was only in an Eastwood movie.
Thunderbolt and Lightfoot?
Of the two, I fear the journalists more.
It will get to the point when Germany will fight back. I suspect those in rural areas are better tuned to what is going on.
The Eastwood movie was based on a real crime committed in 1965.
“In 1965, Canadian criminal Joel Singer, a 22-year old member of the Montreal-based West End Gang syndicate, stole two Lahti L39s and 200 rounds of ammunition from a Plattsburg, New York gun dealer. Singer and four other gang members later used one of these guns in a dramatic late night burglary when they broke into the vault of the Brinks facility in Syracuse, New York. The Boombeast cracked open the bank vault with a shattering of 33-rounds of AP, allowing the gang to flee with nearly a half mil in cash.”
I loved that movie.
“Hookers? I never pay for hookers.” (Or something like that).
And I have used the step-on-the-gas to close the doors when my young kids were in the car.
The dreaded Shutzenfest loophole.
That must have been a loud 10 minutes or so inside the bank!
A local shop has a Boy’s Anti-Tank Gun, I call it the “Rent-a-Boy’s” because they sell it, and 3 months later it’s back. As near as I can figure, some guy just has to have it for his collection, but after a few months of his wife tripping over it or just having to look at the damn thing, he’s “convinced” to trade it in.
When I was stationed in WEST Germany, I ran into the Beretta USA sales rep. He told me to drop him a line when he returned to the US.
I sent him my driver’s license and a credit card, and he sent me a new Beretta 92FS. THROUGH THE MAIL.
It arrived at the APO in the Abrams Building in Frankfurt, and the mailroom called me in a panic. Seems they had a few MPs with them.
Crazy enough, the MPs let me register the pistol and that was the end of it. I re-imported it on a SF-1 when I PCSd.
“It is believed the weapons are purchased in Hungary, where they are legal, then posted unchecked into Germany through the EU’s open borders.”
Gotta love them Open Borders.
Yes, people can still buy guns through the mail, but it has become quite the complicated process in the United States.
It can be done, though.
As I recall, the shooting to break into the Brinks Vault took about two hours.
I did not read anything about the perpetrators being deaf, so I assume they had hearing protection.
Hungary, where they are legal,
I have doubts about how legal the purchases are in Hungary.
From a correspondent to the The Firearms Blog:
“Real Firearms: You need serious and expensive licences and a long procedure, if you want to buy a real firearm for sport. It could be semi-automatic. Our sportshooters are less year by year. Of course, you need the same procedure, if your airgun is stronger than 7.5 J.
If you need a real gun for self defense, it is almost impossible. For the cops, soldiers too. If you get the licence (smaller wonder), you are limited to two guns. You can be allowed to carry them hidden, of course.”
Yeah, but this was in WEST GERMANY.
Not even close to legal, even through the APO.
In the US, I though only dealers and C&R licenses could do the deed by mail?
Wow, that’s a really slow rate of fire. Even with pauses to try to pry open the door.
And yes, that’s a more than reasonable assumption on the perps and hearing!
I am sure they aren’t, you have to get an export and an import license for that.
Criminals won’t buy their weaponry through lawful means.
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