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There are several short videos at the link of the rioting at Berkeley that the author based his opinion on.

Author's opinion:

Both sides acted childishly and violently, but there was no violence that came close to justifying the use if firearms to stop a deadly force attack. Put simply, the fights I saw weren’t nearly as bad as bar fights I’ve seen in real life.

These were mostly incidents of very brief mutual combat where no one was seriously hurt.

No, introducing firearms to such a scenario is not justified. It’s frankly stupid, as you’re much more likely to hit innocent bystanders downrange than you are likely to hit the person you’re shooting at in such dense crowds.

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1 posted on 03/06/2017 8:55:01 AM PST by PROCON
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2 posted on 03/06/2017 8:55:37 AM PST by PROCON (Defending the Border isn't a Political Option, it's a Constitutional Obligation ~ Rick Perry)
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Happened already Seattle.


3 posted on 03/06/2017 8:56:06 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (The Washington Post is Jeff Bezos' Fake News unregulated SuperPAC.)
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Put simply, the fights I saw weren’t nearly as bad as bar fights I’ve seen in real life.


Well, here in KY, all you need is to percieve that you are at risk of receiving great bodily harm.

I say pop ‘em when they come at you.

But then, like I said, I’m in KY. I doubt they’d try that stuff here.


4 posted on 03/06/2017 8:57:44 AM PST by Mr. Douglas (Best. Election. EVER!)
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One sucker punch will kill you.

Just sayin.


5 posted on 03/06/2017 8:57:45 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (The Washington Post is Jeff Bezos' Fake News unregulated SuperPAC.)
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If someone came at me with a stick I’d feel justified in pointing my gun at them and shooting if they kept coming


6 posted on 03/06/2017 8:57:59 AM PST by Chengdu54
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I imagine that in most large cities and on the left coast, they are totally protected against self defense by their victims.


7 posted on 03/06/2017 8:58:25 AM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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My Opinion -

Legal, yes.

Backlash, yes.

Outcome, poor = arrested, jailed, tried, found guilty, loss of property, job, reputation, etc.

As I just typed the last sentence, I am reminded of the signers of The Declaration of Independence.

And I am convicted.


8 posted on 03/06/2017 9:02:33 AM PST by Scrambler Bob (Brought to you from Turtle Island, otherwise known as 'So-Called North America')
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Collectivist revolution craves blood. It lubricates their engine. Opting for a bloody action against them is just what they want.

A better way: find out where they are getting their money and go after that. And sue the pants off of anyone who does harm to people or property.


10 posted on 03/06/2017 9:04:01 AM PST by lurk (TEat)
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violently attacked by left wing radical associated with the so-called “Antifa”or “anti-fascist” movement in Berkeley, California

How about that. An anti-fascist movement that utilizes fascist tactics.

11 posted on 03/06/2017 9:06:23 AM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes rights)
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Why are “anti-Fascists” attacking Trump supporters?


12 posted on 03/06/2017 9:12:58 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both)
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Can Trump Supporters Legally Shoot Left-Wing “Antifa” Attackers?

Of course, as long as the legal requirements are met: A Reasonable assessment... of Imminent... Danger... of Lethal Harm. If a reasonable person would acknowledge that the danger is imminent, and potentially lethal (basically any grievous injury, which includes rape), you're following the law. Now, as to whether a jury or Liberal Prosecutor will also follow the law is a different latter these days. A man carrying a gun is not meeting the criteria. A man pointing a gun (at anyone) is. Parading Leftist idiots is not. Four masked men with sticks beating an elderly man is. Got it?

13 posted on 03/06/2017 9:13:32 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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Let's play the leftist game. Define "legal" these days. I can be "legally" declared dead at the hands of a mob of thugs or I can be alive from "illegally" using my 2A instrument to defend myself.

It isn't a complicated decision for me.

15 posted on 03/06/2017 9:16:31 AM PST by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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Can Trump Supporters Legally Shoot Left-Wing “Antifa” Attackers?

Yes, ...

IF you have Constitutional Rule Of Law and honest cops, in the area in which you defend yourself.

18 posted on 03/06/2017 9:17:05 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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There are no innocent bystanders in a crowd of antifa


21 posted on 03/06/2017 9:18:32 AM PST by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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http://blog.uslawshield.com/caught-in-a-demonstration-know-what-to-do-ahead-of-time/
This is from Texas Law Shield.
There would have to be an imminent threat. You can not just mow them down.


22 posted on 03/06/2017 9:21:10 AM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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In many states, being attacked by anyone and ESPECIALLY by a mob is enough of a threat to justify using deadly force to defend yourself.


27 posted on 03/06/2017 9:29:24 AM PST by taxcontrol
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That photo is of the guy the internet is calling "Based Stickman." Google the term. Memes are popping up all over of the guy. His name is Kyle Chapman and he was arrested for fighting back against the Antifa with homemade shield and stick...he broke his stick over one of their heads. Video is out there.

The lesson here is... bring a thicker stick.

28 posted on 03/06/2017 9:31:46 AM PST by ponygirl ("Our violence is speech. Your speech is violence." ~The Left)
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The only thing worse than a Fascist is an “Anti-Fascist.”


29 posted on 03/06/2017 9:33:18 AM PST by dfwgator
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“Put simply, the fights I saw weren’t nearly as bad as bar fights I’ve seen in real life.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-PY9aFWE8w

One punch homicide documentary. And they are just as willing to do it to the elderly. A young person attacking an older person can make the shoot no shoot matrix tilt in the direction of justification.

The bottom line is that a violent minority is attacking innocent people. Someone, somewhere, will take exception to that.


31 posted on 03/06/2017 9:34:00 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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The rules of self defense don't change just because of a political protest context.

In a Nutshell: The Five Principles of the Law of Self-Defense

34 posted on 03/06/2017 9:36:54 AM PST by mlo
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