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1 posted on 03/12/2018 1:53:13 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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Article V opponents argue that society is too corrupt to trust to a Convention of States.

I think it's more like our bureaucracy is corrupt. Many political appointees end up embedded bureaucrats. Senators and Congressmen are easily bought and paid for. Where do you think the pool of Article V representatives are going to come from?

Article V convention is no good unless the topics and issues are strictly limited to an agreed upon amendment or group of amendments, new and additional amendments. Otherwise the whole shebang gets hijacked by big monied interests and our favorite, the globalists.

Say what you may, I will never support an Article V convention open to any issue anybody wants to bring up. It has to be limited and the limitations set so that each state has to adhere and be bound by it.

2 posted on 03/12/2018 3:35:39 AM PDT by Fhios (Mr. Magoo, where are you?)
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I suppose this comes up because people think it should happen and it could fix something, but I do not see it. It would open up a new battlefield perhaps, but I expect our side to fight as poorly in that convention as it does on every conflict or issue.

The current thinking as I understand it, and please correct me, is that we picked one issue, immigration, on which we clearly agree, and which clearly has the most serious import for our country, and for which we actually have a leader, Trump, who is trying to do something and get behind him and fight it and win it!

Well you see how that is going yes?

We might try something like invading Russia during winter time.


4 posted on 03/12/2018 5:51:44 AM PDT by BDParrish (One representative for every 30,000 persons!)
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Government v. Society
SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil . . . - Thomas Paine, Common Sense (1776)

The "writers [who] . . . confound society with government” are cynics.
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! —Isaiah 5:20 King James Version (KJV)
Since society and government are in a real sense opposites, cynicism towards society corresponds not to cynicism towards government, but the reverse - faith in, even naiveté towards, government.

And the combination of cynicism towards society and naiveté towards government is, IMHO, pretty much the definition of socialism, whether of the Communist or Fascist tendency.


8 posted on 03/12/2018 11:48:29 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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