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To: Nextrush
Initial reports from an eye witness described Skripal as sitting on a park bench making strange hand gestures and looking up to the sky. His daughter was also sitting on the bench beside him leaned into him, possibly unconscious.

I have not seen sitting upright on a park bench making strange hand gestures looking up to the sky among the typical symptoms consistently associated with nerve gas poisoning in any of the literature I have read.

It's usually more like convulsions, involuntary loss of bowel and bladder, foaming at the mouth, lacrimation, lying on the ground struggling to breathe and actively dying a violent and horrible death, etc.

May is specifically accusing Russia of using Novichok which is reported to be up to 10x more potent than VX. I would think the accepted and consistent symptoms of nerve agent poisoning would be unmistakable if something that potent were used.

IMO, this sounds more like carfentanil which the Russians have been known to use from time time to time. It's a narcotic that is about 100x more potent than fentanyl which is itself about 80x more potent than heroin and there is concern about its use as a WMD due to the extremely small doses required to induce respiratory arrest. It is also able to absorb into the blood stream via the transdermal route afaik.

It seemed as if they had taken “something quite strong,” Freya Church told the BBC. “On the bench there was a couple, an older guy and a younger girl. She was sort of leaned in on him. It looked like she had passed out, maybe. He was doing some strange hand movements, looking up to the sky.”

Also interesting that washington post is now describing noth victims as being found "unconscious on a bench" despite the initial eyewitness accounts p[reviously referenced that suggest they were conscious.

March 4, 4:15 p.m. — Emergency services are called by a passer-by concerned about a man and a woman in Salisbury city center. Officers find the Skripals unconscious on a bench. They are taken to Salisbury District Hospital, where they remain in critical condition.

2 posted on 03/15/2018 2:30:10 PM PDT by RC one (Lying, cheating, deceiving & manipulating are as natural to Democrats as swimming is to fish.)
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To: RC one
Surviving exposure to either Novichok or Carfentarnil isn't listed among the symptoms related to them, either.
3 posted on 03/15/2018 2:33:54 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: RC one
Well people react differently to being poisoned. Symptoms are only ever "typical". The two may still be alive but the description we are hearing here is "critical but stable", which might mean they are in a coma.

I'm not an expert on poisoning but the British government seems really sure on this. I suspect they have another intelligence source which they are not discussing - the guy was working for MI6 for quite a few years after all.

4 posted on 03/18/2018 4:02:37 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: RC one

"the most toxic nerve agent known to man"?

5 posted on 03/18/2018 4:18:23 AM PDT by McGruff (It's time to investigate the investigators)
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