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The Navy’s Admiral-To-Ship Ratio, Then And Now
Task & Purpose ^ | Tom Ricks

Posted on 11/14/2018 7:18:25 PM PST by ameribbean expat

It has been said before, but as the song says, it bears repeating: “In 1944 there were 256 flags for 6,084 ships; today there are 359 flag officers for 280 ships.”

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1 posted on 11/14/2018 7:18:25 PM PST by ameribbean expat
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2 posted on 11/14/2018 7:27:30 PM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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So what! the Navy now has 3-pregnant sailors to every 10 males and 10 gays or lesbians to every 50 sailors...

Let's see the chicoms mess with them...

3 posted on 11/14/2018 7:28:42 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: ameribbean expat

Bump


4 posted on 11/14/2018 7:32:18 PM PST by foreverfree
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It’s not the same service.


5 posted on 11/14/2018 7:33:50 PM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: ameribbean expat

If we had light carriers, cruiser carriers, escort carriers, cruisers and destroyers with guns and torpedoes, not just rockets, the Chinese would have a fight on their hands. With today’s automation they could be staffed at 1/4 the rate of the old ships.


6 posted on 11/14/2018 7:40:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: ameribbean expat

And half of em are probably lesbos and chicks.


7 posted on 11/14/2018 7:46:51 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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The US Navy last fought a surface war in August, 1945.

Fought terrible air combat-bombing “wars” under terrible rules of engagement and absurdly limiting conditions in Korea and Vietnam, and supported bombing campaigns since, but the last “ship” to actually fight an enemy still afloat is the USS Constitution.

Submarines? Been underwater in that game, built and drove and repaired and decommissioned those boats from Nautilus to Seawolf to 594’s, 637’s and 688’s, I know what they go through. Haven’t shot torpedoes either.


8 posted on 11/14/2018 7:54:13 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (The democrats' national goal: One world social-communism under one world religion: Atheistic Islam.)
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A lot more politicians in high office these days.


9 posted on 11/14/2018 8:00:47 PM PST by Terry Mross (On some threads it's best to go jst inraight to the comments..)
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To: ameribbean expat

So simple math suggests that all but 13 admirals should be involuntarily retired.


10 posted on 11/14/2018 8:32:14 PM PST by PAR35
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LOL, more BRASS than floating STEEL.


11 posted on 11/14/2018 8:36:36 PM PST by prophetic (Trump is today's DANIEL. Shut the mouth of lions Lord, let his enemies be the Cat Food instead.)
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And half of em are probably lesbos and chicks.


As one Navy guy told me, “we need them to fight fires because there are not enough men signed up. We need the bodies.”


12 posted on 11/15/2018 2:07:08 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Carriers are just big targets. They are fighting the last, last war.


13 posted on 11/15/2018 2:50:43 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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"Carriers are just big targets.
They are fighting the last, last war."

Sure, big targets, but well defended and remain viable so long as defense outperforms threats against them.
Remember, carriers were always considered vulnerable to land based attacks and so kept at a safe distance off shore.
Over the years such safe distances have increased or reduced based on relative technology.

Today is no different and the latest carriers come with the latest tech, hopefully up to whatever challenges are out there.

14 posted on 11/15/2018 3:06:25 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: ameribbean expat

One of the cuts in the military I would like to see is a 50% cut across the board in Flag officers. There are a lot of REMFs making work and squandering money justifying their existence with worthless projects.


15 posted on 11/15/2018 3:12:38 AM PST by where's_the_Outrage? (Drain the Swamp. Build the Wall.)
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Too many chiefs for what?
For peacetime, sure, but in the event of major war they would all be needed.
I think that's the idea and it applies to the other services as well.

In major emergencies leadership is the scarcest resource.

16 posted on 11/15/2018 3:15:03 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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It would be interesting to see just WHERE all those flag officer billets are in the Navy’s organizational structure.

My feeling is a number of the billets are on very high level joint and combined staffs, primarily for comparability purposes. That is, an admiral is required to match up with the generals being assigned by the other services. (And they are all general officers because national level poloticias expect generals when they want to talk to military authority figures.). Stupid as it sounds, even a senior field grade officer (colonel/captain) (which might be the right rank for the actual work and experience the job requires) is at a real disadvantage when trying to defend service interests or make tough points in a room filled with dismissive general officers. Not having to consult headquarters to push back against nonsense is pretty important to prevent bad ideas from gaining a foothold and leading efforts astray.

As for the politicians...it is said you have to be a politician to be a general.


17 posted on 11/15/2018 5:20:59 AM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow.)
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I understand that. But new weapons are not coming from the land. A 20 foot long, 2,000 pound rod of tungsten rod shot from space is going to do a lot of damage to a big carrier in the middle of the ocean.

I am pretty sure the US of 2018 is not going to be able to handle the loss of multiple carriers in an engagement.

This ain’t your Dad’s country.


18 posted on 11/15/2018 2:05:02 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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"This ain’t your Dad’s country."

Rail guns.

19 posted on 11/15/2018 2:07:47 PM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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>> A 20 foot long, 2,000 pound rod of tungsten rod shot from space may not make it to the surface before burning up.


20 posted on 11/15/2018 2:08:37 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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