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Crunching the 380 a ballistics analysis (Part I)
Self (own blog post) ^ | 1/14/2020 | No.6

Posted on 01/15/2020 6:42:22 PM PST by No.6

After too long of a delay, I've finally started grinding out the words behind the study I've done of .380 ACP rounds, and posted part one.

Yes, this is a bit of a blog pimping, but as I have no ads or monetization, one can hardly call it self-serving … it's just that there's too many words to make a good forum post.

A short excerpt: ----- Our ideal round is not necessarily the same as the officer’s – but there are many similarities. If we’re forced to shoot in self-defense (presuming our threat doesn’t quit, run away, or hide) we very much need our action to stop the threat – maybe more so, as we may not have an armed partner and government behind us. Accordingly, on ammunition sites and YouTube vloggers alike the barrier tests are usually not replicated, and you’ll find tests largely involving bare gel or denim/cloth/fleece “heavy clothing” (and the occasional bag of oranges). This set of articles uses the 12″-18″ FBI standard, not because the .380 ACP is a duty round, but because some objective standard is better than none. When making your own choice, keep in mind this is about personal defense, not duty.

...this study doesn’t “trust” or “distrust” Shooting the Bull 410, Lucky Gunner, or any other author. It pulls together 330+ rounds from 12 different authors, 12 different firearms, and 29 different types of ammunition, all in .380 ACP. -----

Full article at https://www.wereratgames.com along with a prior bit I'd posted, which has nothing at all to do with arms but is a data science item about simulation racing.

Anyway enjoy, and I'm looking forward to cranking the rest of it out in intervals of less than a week each so this wordy intro doesn't get stale.


TOPICS: Hobbies; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: 380; ballistics; banglist; blog; firearms; learnhowtopost
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Technically a vanity and worse yet an own blog post, but please forgive the method as I'm not churning for hits or monetization. Hopefully of some interest.
1 posted on 01/15/2020 6:42:22 PM PST by No.6
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To: No.6

Got some .380 haters on this thread: https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3807959/posts


2 posted on 01/15/2020 6:44:22 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: No.6

I’m looking for a pocket gun, but I just can’t warm up to a .380

Seriously thinking about a S&W MP Shield in 9mm or .40 cal

Decent little gun for $279


3 posted on 01/15/2020 6:59:52 PM PST by digger48
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To: No.6

Linkee no workee.


4 posted on 01/15/2020 7:00:19 PM PST by fini
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To: No.6

The link won’t open for me - “can’t reach this page.”


5 posted on 01/15/2020 7:02:18 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: No.6

Your link is not working for me.

That said, .380 is a round that I carry.

All others are too big/heavy for me to be consistent. I get lazy or uncomfortable or lose my ability to conceal and just leave it home.

So I carry a Sig P-232p.

Weighs less than a pound empty and I can shoot your eye out at 20 ft. The FBI also says 98% of gun deaths occur at 8ft or less.

I met a gun store/range manager in Tacoma WA that accidentally shot himself with one. It went in above the belt line, bounced off his pelvic bone and filleted his left leg darn near to the ankle. They medivac’d him on a helicopter because it nicked an artery. Just barely.

FMJ.

So I figure it has just enough if the shot is well placed. Especially if 4 or 5 are well placed.


6 posted on 01/15/2020 7:03:58 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: No.6

Link doesn’t work.


7 posted on 01/15/2020 7:04:18 PM PST by OKSooner (Free Beer Tomorrow)
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The biggest advantage of the .380 is the guns it works in. It seems to me that it is adequate if not overpowering.

I was surprised to see in his biography that John M. Browning’s favorite gun was the little 32 auto.


8 posted on 01/15/2020 7:06:39 PM PST by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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I carry a Ruger LCP in 380 every day. I also carry other pistols, but that little LCP fits a shorts pocket perfectly. It also shoots great, is very reliable, and I can hit a forehead at 50 feet just fine.


9 posted on 01/15/2020 7:07:58 PM PST by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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.380? Give me .308


10 posted on 01/15/2020 7:08:56 PM PST by Rio
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To: digger48

S&W MP Shield in 9mm rocks.


11 posted on 01/15/2020 7:14:51 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Rio

nope a 44 or 45, not really particular about which caliber or the specific cartridge, they all work. LOL


12 posted on 01/15/2020 7:16:49 PM PST by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual and political hemlock)
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To: No.6

if you have large hands, the cases are hard to reload. A rock chucker becomes a finger crusher,


13 posted on 01/15/2020 7:19:30 PM PST by davidb56
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yep, been there and done that a few hundred times, which is why I prefer 44’s or 45’s easier for my fat fingers to hold onto and not get crushed. LOL


14 posted on 01/15/2020 7:21:29 PM PST by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual and political hemlock)
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Im in boundary county Idaho.....grizz country. 44 super blackhawk is my carry.


15 posted on 01/15/2020 7:24:18 PM PST by davidb56
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To: CodeToad

Yep and surprisingly it points very well for me. I’ve spent years learning to point/instinct shoot and can clear that lcp from my iwb holster and hit an 8 inch circle 2+ times in just over a second at 15 ft. And haven’t actually practiced with it that much


16 posted on 01/15/2020 7:31:40 PM PST by Manuel OKelley
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To: digger48

“ Seriously thinking about a S&W MP Shield in 9mm or .40 cal”

I have a Shield .40. I wouldn’t call it a pocket gun. Close, but a bit large.


17 posted on 01/15/2020 7:32:15 PM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: yarddog
Yeah, I admit I've been known to make fun of 380s. Full disclosure I have a Ruger LCP in 380. It *is* small and there's no excuse for going disarmed when you can conceal this sized weapon everywhere but in the shower. (sorry for the mental image)

My normal carry is a single stack 9mm. I feel the 380 round is probably sufficient, even in the limited 6+1 configuration of the LCP. Though yes, I feel better with my 8+1 9mm S&W Shield and a spare mag or two.

My main beef is with the dynamics of the LCP. The sights are, at least for me, only usable if the fight is in an indoor room, a medium-small room. Racking the action is more difficult than on any other semi-auto handgun we have. While it has never jammed for me, it has stove-piped multiple times for my wife and son. It seems to need a *firm* grip, any slack and the action doesn't cycle properly. There are probably other 380s that I'd like more, or dislike less. But I really like the Shield and it is easy enough to conceal 99/100 times. I can put up with the LCP the other times - gives me an excuse to gripe. ;-)

Oh, and a final note on 380 stopping power. Yes, it is not as powerful as many other handgun rounds. Funny thing though, I've never met anyone who claims it isn't powerful enough who is willing to get shot by one. ;-/

18 posted on 01/15/2020 7:33:24 PM PST by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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To: No.6

IBHG


19 posted on 01/15/2020 7:35:13 PM PST by null and void (The government wants to disarm us after 243 yrs 'cuz they plan to do things we would shoot them for!)
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To: MV=PY; Mariner; OKSooner

Grr, darn ‘s’! https:// is no good.

http://www.wereratgames.com works as does https://wereratgames.azurewebsites.net/ (as a learning experience with cloudy stuff, I put this up on Azure).

Sorry about that!


20 posted on 01/15/2020 7:38:21 PM PST by No.6
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