Posted on 04/22/2020 4:02:06 PM PDT by Talkwire
Do I Have to Wear a Mask? Several Counties around California, including most of the Bay Area, now mandate masks be worn in public to curb the spread of the Coronavirus. Many people are wondering if the law applies to them. Further, is this even Constitutional? The short answer to the question “Do I Need to wear a mask?” is IT DEPENDS. READ MORE...
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I DONT in L.A. Just to show these facemask fags they are wasting their time with it.
It’s also DAMN HOT here for the past few days and I noticed LESS people are wearing them.
I hear you.
But the rules they are putting into place are abitrary or advancing their chosen political constituencies and hobbling their opponents.
And if a virus with a 0.1% to 3.0% rate of death is sufficient for draconian limitation of enumerated rights, then what about the impending global catastophe of Climate Change? Those little Hitlers are positively salivating NOW.
I’m deeply sceptical of any limitation. Wisdom has me not joining the protests, yet. But when their motive clearly changes from stupidity to political control, we’re gonna have a dramatically different conversation.
under emergency powers it is lawful. The governor, the president, the mayors and the sheriff all have emergency powers for their respective jurisdictions.
Do they get to be little Hitlers?
We may not fish a wide open lake, but are encouraged to bike a crowded trail. WTH?
Wife and I have been weating masks and glves since the country was “shut down.” We have relatively few cases here in the county, but that could be more of an indication that they can’t seem to do any testing.
So we wear a mask for our own health. If some one doesn’t want to wear a mask, I think not one thing or another. But...if a store, such as our local grocery store now mandates that its employees wear masks, then I do expect them to wear it correctly. Went to the deli counter to get a sandwich. The help couldn’t wear the mask correctly, it was under their nose ala Chuckie Schumer. I said that if you can’t wear the mask correctly, then I can not order a sandwich from you.
The broad refused to wear the mask correctly so I exercised my right to not purchase a sandwich.
The whole episode told me one of two things...either she is an idiot..in that case I don’t want her working on somehting as complex as my sandwich...or she cares not one wit for her health, nor mine...in that case I don’t want her grimy hands on my sandwich....
Too bad. I really wanted the Dagwood. sigh...
But if one is going to wear a mask, wear it correctly. Or...don’t wear a mask.
I carry a facemask in my jacket pocket, and put it on if I enter a store. I’m not going to wear it just taking my daily walk.
Way back in 1905, in a case that's never been overruled, the Supreme Court said that “in every well-ordered society . . . the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.”
So the short answer to your question is, they can't abridge your right to free speech or petition; but they can abridge your right to assembly, if the abridgement is content-neutral (they can't allow rallies in favor of the Governor and ban rallies against him; they can't ban Methodist church services and allow Baptist services; but they can ban all gatherings of 10 or more people who don't stay 6 feet apart, until the risk of contagion abates.)
And before anyone flames me, I am speaking as a lawyer-- meaning, this is what the courts have ruled, not necessarily what I think they should rule.
So then every time you put your mask in your pocket, you risk contaminating your pocket and transfering that contamination to the inside of you mask. You have not yet been exposed to Covid 19 or with your practice, you would very soon be infected.
99% of people have no clue how to use masks. If they get exposed to Covid 19, they will become infected. People are clueless.
These masks are meant to be used ONCE and thrown away. They can be used over again, but once contaminated with virus, every additional use while the virus is active will likely infect them with the virus.
People don’t know how to wear them, don’t know how to store them. I see people hanging masks on their neck, where they would pick up contamination if it is there. I see people constantly touching their faces, adjusting their masks, moving the masks down to talk or scratch their face, then replace it, as if contamination will magically stop durning the transition.
I see people wearing gloves and then constantly touching their gloved fingers to their faces. What is the point? Or they repeatedly don the mask and take it off while wearing their gloves.
Masks are very ineffective by the masses of people that misuse them. A complete and total joke. Complete.
i have 4 I use in rotation. They go into a plastic zip-lock bag and decontaminate in dashboard sun light over 3 or 4 days days between use. don’t go out much, would that work1?
In Ventura you do not. You can also go to the beach. In Los Angeles it was mandated by the mayor these past 2 weeks for stores that you have to wear a mask. Now we learn that the governor had a deal with China to buy masks. So why now and not these last 2 months?
I believe that deal is a way to launder money to the politicians and the democrat party as hardly any masks will ever show up.
Also not easy to get one delivered in the next 10 days. Not even with Amazon Prime!
All those horseshoes didn’t bring him much luck.
Lol. He probably hung them up with the points downward — all the luck spills out that way.
Just in stores
The statement by the WHO was one of the few they got right...and it didn’t boil down to your “simplification”...
That never happened, not even in NYC, so now the lockdown has outlived its medical logic.
If grocery store cashiers are not dropping like flies, then there is even less reason to close a pet shop or florist. Some jobs are going to be harder to reopen: meat packing plants, hairdressers, etc. Restaurants will need to have fewer parties seated with more distance, etc. This is how I see the rational way forward.
That said, about masks: In my state and county, it’s optional, but it must be noted that countries that went to full masking in public have seen dramatic drops in infection rates. You can google numerous articles to confirm this fact.
The fact that you are okay walking past me down the aisle of a grocery store unmasked (where you are allowed) is why I wear an N-95 mask (also protects me from virus) in grocery stores, and not just a surgical mask (to protect others from y viral spew in the event I’m an asymptomatic carrier).
As far as herd immunity, we are years from that point. Highest (disputed) estimates put the already infected rate at under 5%. Herd immunity requires over 75%. We will be hit with second and third waves before we get to herd immunity. And even folks who recovered at home from CV are in many cases invalided for life. My goal is to not get it if at all possible. I enjoy riding my bike, hiking, boating, swimming and free-diving, and I don’t want to get winded walking between rooms in my house because I caught CV from somebody with a more reckless attitude in the supermarket. You are why I wear an N-95 mask when inside there. Respectfully, that’s how I feel.
This is a Google translation from the German.
Diving after Covid 19 disease?
April 15, 2020 editorial staff
Target organ lung - diving after Covid 19 disease?
Dr. Frank Hartig heads the emergency department in Innsbruck (Tyrol) and is there in a hot spot of the corona pandemic. His team is confronted with many puzzles, especially regarding the massive changes in the lungs. The first six recovered divers received a preliminary bad news when it came to their routine fitness to dive.
Dear WETNOTES readers,
The corona pandemic is now part of everyday life and efforts to normalize as quickly as possible at all levels are becoming increasingly impatient. For us divers, however, I would like to branch off a few important observations from reality and the research pipeline. As you may know, I am not responsible as a diving doctor, but as an intensive care and emergency doctor for many weeks in the middle of the front line. I don’t want to jump on the train of so-called experts. I’m just writing so much that the so-called Corona experts don’t exist at all, because we all learn new things every day and many books have to be rewritten. The virologists or epidemiologists can currently only help us a little, even if they are quoted daily in interviews and articles.At the moment we are all only smarter afterwards. The countless reports reflect the entire spectrum from serious reporting to conspiracy theories.
Disturbing facts However, as a COVID-19 doctor who is definitely not an expert, I would like to draw your attention to a few exciting but also disturbing facts that will affect us divers.
In the past few weeks we have had COVID-19 patients of all ages from symptom-free spreader to intensive care patients on the heart-lung machine. The lungs are one of several target organs, and that clearly interests us divers.
Six active divers were among the sufferers. After we had to wait up to 32 hours for the test results in the first few days (so-called PCR test), the radiologists observed that a CT scan of the lungs showed such typical changes. So they quickly went on to do this chest CT in addition to the PCR test. CT was successful even in patients without cough or shortness of breath with only fever and suspicious COVID contacts. In the case of typical changes, the patient with corona pneumonia was admitted to the suspect station until the test result. In the meantime, this knowledge has also been published and the diagnosis does not always require a positive PCR test in the smear, but nowadays the typical CT image is often sufficient.
It was and is interesting that there is a remarkable discrepancy between the findings and the patient’s feeling. Young people in their prime of age come to the emergency department on foot, have normal vital signs and subjectively do not require oxygen. And then they have these impressive bilateral infiltrates in their lungs that look like putting a wipe or two in a bucket of oil and pulling it out and hanging it up. Other patients have the same picture and come to the outpatient clinic with reduced oxygen saturation. Except for an increased breathing rate, which the patients hardly notice themselves, they are fine according to the circumstances, even though they have such bad blood gases that, according to the textbook, one should immediately think of intubation. If you give them 2 liters of oxygen,oxygen saturation will improve somewhat, but a few hours later many of them are in the intensive care unit with intubation and severe lung failure. Many colleagues have the feeling that the oxygen triggers a cascade. None of us know exactly what’s going on here. It often looks scary. But let’s not forget about 80% of the patients who put it all away as if it were nothing.as if it were nothing.as if it were nothing.
One of the triggers for this interim report is a contribution by one of the world’s most recognized divers / diving medicine experts and grand engineers, who claims that you can cure Corona if you treat people with HBO / pressure chamber therapy. This proves how far away those colleagues from the front are brooding at their desks thousands of miles from the patient and want only the best for us.
The first controls of these six divers, who came to the controls clinically healthy after 5 to 6 weeks, are now exciting. In two of them, we saw significant oxygen deficiency when under stress as a typical sign of a persistent lung shunt. In two bronchial tubes, which are still very excitable during exercise, as in an asthmatics. Four of the six divers in the control CT still had impressive lung changes.
How it goes on is completely unclear, but for the WETNOTES reader it is now clear what I want to achieve:
None of the six divers can be released for diving for the time being despite their well-being.
Young, COVID-healthy people who want to dive again quickly and appear healthy at first could get through our hands.
Noticeable lung shunts from the lung consolidations are not good for diving.
Bronchial hyperexcitability / asthma are not good for diving.
Exercise hypoxemia is not good for diving.
An increased susceptibility to pulmonary oxygen toxicity is not good for diving.
And infiltrates / consolidations (lung areas that are not properly ventilated) are strict contraindications for diving of any kind anyway.
Of course, these effects also apply to freediving and scuba diving.
Consequential damage?
The extent to which long-term effects remain on the lungs is unclear and is currently speculative. We don’t know how much of the changes will last. When looking at the findings, it is often difficult to believe in complete healing. What is certain is that those divers who, on the whole, feel healthy again, obviously still have serious findings even after many weeks, which in no way lead to suitability for diving.
Within the next few months, these examinations will also have to be discussed controversially within the diving doctors, namely whether divers should be examined differently or in more detail after a COVID infection. With this small number of cases, everything is currently still hypothetical and further studies will bring more clarity next year. But we are very vigilant.
Don’t be reckless
My personal assessment is that the active diver after a surviving COVID infection should be examined very thoroughly by an experienced diving doctor from a diving medical point of view. And even better: a diving professional should do everything possible to avoid becoming carelessly sick with COVID-19, so group dives / diving excursions with the comment »everything, just no out-of-gas maneuver training« are in no way recommended and not really professional.
Unfortunately, we in Tyrol also have a large number of young patients in the intensive care unit. This is by no means about diving, but primarily about survival.
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