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1 posted on 11/05/2021 12:03:19 PM PDT by karpov
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All govt activities eventually become no more than jobs programs.


2 posted on 11/05/2021 12:05:44 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: karpov

Answer: The government made it more affordable.


3 posted on 11/05/2021 12:06:23 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Everything Woke turns to shit.” ~ President Donald Trump)
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And we all know the collection of clowns on the staff that could be eliminated with the result of 1) lowering costs, 2) reducing totally non-productive low IQ idiots, and 3) raising the academic standards of the university.

You listenin’, diversity dolts?


4 posted on 11/05/2021 12:08:25 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: karpov

Socialism. Seemingly unlimited amount of money available when it’s ‘government’ money via student loans.


5 posted on 11/05/2021 12:10:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.)
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I think there is a two-tier pricing system in effect. First, grant-heavy, often public, schools have hired more administrators than faculty over the years. A good measure of this is because schools must adhere to certain gov’t guidelines and it seems like each school in the university has a “compliance” administrator and associated support staff. Second, non-grant schools, seeing the price increases at the competition, following a “price-leader” (oligopolistic) model for setting tuition and raise tuition rates. Both place an upward pressure on tuition.


6 posted on 11/05/2021 12:17:50 PM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy. I just know what you should be doing.)
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After teaching at the same university for 29 years, I can tell you what made annual tuition go from $1800 to $12,500 during that time:
1) Teacher workloads reduced from 12 credit hours per semester to 9. That resulted in:
2) Hiring more teachers
3) A merit system which made it far too easy for profs to earn generous pay increases annually
4) The hiring of lots of administrative staff
5) Union rules which inflated the cost of everything on campus ($180 to change a fluorescent ceiling light in a classroom, or not allowing janitors to use a plunger on a toilet and charging $210 for a union plumber to come over with a plunger)
6) Wasting money on “woke” departments like Gender Studies, Afro Studies or Philosophy that had fewer than 10 majors.
I’m glad I’m retired.


7 posted on 11/05/2021 12:20:45 PM PDT by Restless
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Supply and demand.

Demand is rising. The number of kids wanting to get into college is increasing, both by simple population growth and by increasing social imperative to.

Supply can’t keep up. The number of school applicants is growing faster than seats to put them in.

Natural economic solution: prices rise. Easiest way to increase “friction” to match demand to supply is raise prices on supply units until enough give up on applying that supply-and-demand balances. This is, as FReepers know and I feel like blathering about, made much harder by Progressives having persuaded gov’t to take over the student loan industry and hand out money like it’s unlimited - prices must go WAY up to get high enough that supply-and-demand balances out.

Between education and real estate, Progressives have this stupidly huge blind spot where they _think_ diplomas and deeds are easily manufactured in great enough numbers that anyone who wants one “should” be able to buy one at an imagined list price. Result is shock that tuition is astronomically high (why not? the money is trivial to get), and mortgages are absurdly expensive in high-demand areas (land: they’re not making any more of it), inducing the cognitive dissonance that “something must be done” as though free money and strictly limited supply can be legislated into luxurious forms at nominal cost.


8 posted on 11/05/2021 12:21:00 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (All worry about monsters that'll eat our face, but it's our job to ask WHY it wants to eat our face.)
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“A student working full-time over the summer of 1971 would only need to earn $2.70 per hour, at a time when the minimum wage was $1.60 an hour, to earn enough to pay for a year at a public, four-year college”

Which is what I did the next summer to attend college in the fall of ‘72, only I actually made $3.02/hr (crappy little union job).

Total cost (tuition, room, meal ticket) < $500.


9 posted on 11/05/2021 12:22:14 PM PDT by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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Wife & I have 5 degrees. We eventually learned there’s a lot of organizations willing to pay your tuition, rendering out-of-pocket costs near $0. Of course you can just sign on the dotted line without bothering to research financing alternatives - and pay top dollar for it.


10 posted on 11/05/2021 12:23:44 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (All worry about monsters that'll eat our face, but it's our job to ask WHY it wants to eat our face.)
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I forgot one major factor in my previous post

7) Government increases in financial aid/student loans. The university admitted it would raise tuition by, for example, 10% one year to match a 10% increase in government financial aid. This harmed middle-income students the most because they usually didn’t quality for financial aid.


11 posted on 11/05/2021 12:31:57 PM PDT by Restless
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More govt. student loans put more money in the system and all the colleges competed for the loot, driving the prices up.

It’s as simple as that.


12 posted on 11/05/2021 12:32:40 PM PDT by Signalman
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Greed.


15 posted on 11/05/2021 12:40:27 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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Explaining the High Cost of College

College Students are stupid.

19 posted on 11/05/2021 1:27:33 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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Or, if the student got their ego out of the way, 2 years of Junior College only cost about $300/semester for books and registration.

Graduated in '79 with a BA and in '81 with an MS from USC and the total cost was less than $18K.

That was after my Air Force enlistment ended in '74.

20 posted on 11/05/2021 1:29:35 PM PDT by G Larry ("Racism" is code for "No Intelligent Argument")
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What incentive do colleges have to control costs when the government will pick up the tab of their price increases? In a free market system I’d wager few would be willing to pay $40-50,000 for a college degree, especially one in gender studies or other malarkey.


24 posted on 11/05/2021 2:52:51 PM PDT by FormerFRLurker
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A student working full-time over the summer of 1971 would only need to earn $2.70 per hour, at a time when the minimum wage was $1.60 an hour, to earn enough to pay for a year at a public, four-year college. Today, that student would need to earn $38.63 an hour.

What four-year college are they looking at? UTA is a bit over $6000 per semester. Assuming three months of your summer job, and no part-time during school, you get $2M per month, $500 per week, or $12.50 an hour. Double it to account for the spring semester, and you need to make ~$25/hr to pay for school. Not sure where the $38/hr comes in, unless they're adding in rent and food to that? Or just going to a really expensive public college?

Yea, college costs are crazy inflated, but their numbers still seem a little high. Get FedGov out of education funding, and I bet college costs would drop 50%+ within a year.
27 posted on 11/07/2021 7:52:30 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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