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To: aMorePerfectUnion

God gave teachers to the church as a gift.

“ 11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ…


May be a “word” issue, because, as I just pointed out to another poster...

“Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.”—Mathew 23:10

And I’m sure I could find other instances. One obvious one is Jesus’ statement that, “The kingdom of Heaven is within.” If that’s the case (and I believe it is), then why would we need an external teacher?


16 posted on 11/30/2021 3:51:58 PM PST by rebuildus (MAGA! Last chance""folks! )
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To: rebuildus

This sort of question is a great one to put before a person who has studied the Greek and Hebrew, and who has studied and pondered (with others) the context of the statements.

A good pastor is a gift from God. And a good pastor will cite the original, as well as his understanding of it — and from there the impression it makes in any one person’s mind is up to the Holy Spirit.


18 posted on 11/30/2021 4:03:57 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: rebuildus

Since God clearly state He gave teachers to the church, they are necessary.

Here is a literal Greek translation…

“ Ephesians 4:7–16 (WUESTNT): And He himself gave some, on the one hand, as apostles, and, on the other hand, as prophets, and still again some as bringers of good news, and finally, some as pastors who are also teachers, for the equipping of the saints for ministering work with a view to the building up of the Body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the Faith and of the experiential, full, and precise knowledge of the Son of God, to a spiritually mature man, to the measure of the stature of the fulness of the Christ,”

In Greek, it says God gave us “pastors who are also teachers” to equipping the Body of Christ.”


19 posted on 11/30/2021 4:07:10 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything ᡕᠵ᠊ᡃ࡚ࠢ࠘ ⸝່ࠡࠣ᠊߯᠆ࠣ࠘ᡁࠣ࠘᠊᠊ࠢ࠘𐡏⁻ )
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To: rebuildus

The Apostle Paul, under inspiration wrote in Romans AND Corinthians …

“ Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; 7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; 8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity…”

“ And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.”

Teaching is a gift God gives to the church.

It is His doing.


20 posted on 11/30/2021 4:10:27 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything ᡕᠵ᠊ᡃ࡚ࠢ࠘ ⸝່ࠡࠣ᠊߯᠆ࠣ࠘ᡁࠣ࠘᠊᠊ࠢ࠘𐡏⁻ )
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