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Am I being instructed to do something illegal? (DEI hiring practices)
Hacker News (affiliated with YCombinator) ^ | January 23, 2022 | anonymous

Posted on 01/23/2022 9:58:54 AM PST by karpov

I work in an engineering department at a tech company in the USA. I've worked on many hiring projects over the years but the latest project is different to the others. In the spreadsheet that lists all the open positions, there's a new column next to open positions with DEI comments. It has a line like this:

Senior Software Engineer (must be female)

If I follow this spreadsheet and exclude male applicants, then would I break any laws? Or if not laws, then would I violate other regulations or ethical standards in the industry?

I ask because my understanding of anti-discrimination law is that there are certain classes of people that cannot be excluded from job openings. Things like sex and race.

If this is illegal then what's the right way to handle this? Are there other ways I should think about this besides legal/illegal or ethical/unethical? Does region or state within the USA matter?

A little more context:

As a SSE I would do interviews or screen candidates but now in a Sr Manager role I'm more involved in the early planning and management of the process. In the first meeting where I saw the comments I said nothing. I followed up a few days later with an email to VP eng to say I opposed. 2 days after that I had a call with VP eng where I raised the issue again and they insisted that the requirement remain. I've taken no more action after that.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: dei; diversity; preferences; quotas
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There is blatant discrimination against men in tech.
1 posted on 01/23/2022 9:58:54 AM PST by karpov
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To: karpov

Yes - you are.


2 posted on 01/23/2022 10:02:13 AM PST by Skywise
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To: karpov

Yes. That is clear discrimination.


3 posted on 01/23/2022 10:02:47 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: karpov

The fact that you are not allowed to question the merits of DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) tells you all you need to know.


4 posted on 01/23/2022 10:03:51 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: karpov

Obiously illegal. Ask HR to get it documented.


5 posted on 01/23/2022 10:04:43 AM PST by Dennis M.
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To: karpov

If it said “whites only”, what would you think? That would be my answer.


6 posted on 01/23/2022 10:05:03 AM PST by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: karpov

No one will do anything about it.


7 posted on 01/23/2022 10:05:08 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: karpov

“Affirmative Action” is clearly un-Constitutional under the 14th Amendment and Alfred Blumrosen knew it when he wrote the first regulations in his newly created EEOC.


8 posted on 01/23/2022 10:06:15 AM PST by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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To: karpov

How about we start promoting equal representation in the blue-collar trades: carpentry, electrical, plumbing, mechanics.

In contrast, we also demand equal representation in fields like nursing, teaching, child care.


9 posted on 01/23/2022 10:07:55 AM PST by throwthebumsout
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To: karpov

you could anonymously report it to I don’t know the dept of labor? But instead why not send it to somebody like Fox news?


10 posted on 01/23/2022 10:09:06 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: karpov

Might want to look at whistleblower laws and then consider contacting the state.

My experience with HR tells me that you will just get in trouble if you ask them about something like this. They are not there for you. They are there to impose Diversity on you.


11 posted on 01/23/2022 10:09:17 AM PST by ClearCase_guy ("If you see something, say something?" I see people dying from vaccines.)
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To: karpov

The only defense we reasonably have is to choose who we do business with. I talk to people all the time that pretty much fully agree with me politically and morally. They agree what these woke corporations are doing is wrong and destroying this country. Yet they continue to business with them. I work very hard not to do business with places like target, Amazon, McDonnalds, AT&T, Netlix, NFL, NBA and on and on. But these people I talk to have not changed their behavior at all with these businesses. The reason is that it is convenient to do business with them. That is why we are, and will, loose. Hardly anyone is willing to make even the smallest sacrifice to stand up for America and American values. it’s pretty depressing really.


12 posted on 01/23/2022 10:09:55 AM PST by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: karpov

You might as well break some other laws too. :-)


13 posted on 01/23/2022 10:11:44 AM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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Ask as many people involved what the reasoning is behind it. Send requests in writing, save copies of those. Log in days requests were made and when responses were made, and obviously keep those. At least they’ll wonder that if something is amiss, they might get their asses caught in legal entanglements.


14 posted on 01/23/2022 10:12:32 AM PST by Theophilous Meatyard III
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To: karpov

Title IX only protects women according to our legal dept.


15 posted on 01/23/2022 10:13:58 AM PST by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: throwthebumsout

You aim far too low.

I demand equitable hiring of white men in NBA basketball.


16 posted on 01/23/2022 10:14:26 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: karpov

If you want to get HR is deep shit, send that to a labor attorney.


17 posted on 01/23/2022 10:14:27 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: ClearCase_guy

It has been my experience that HR works for and is a tool for Management. HR is not your friend. Agree, whistleblower law and go to state.


18 posted on 01/23/2022 10:14:47 AM PST by OHPatriot (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: karpov

Do you work for Wind River Systems? Look at their pie charts (scroll down).

https://www.windriver.com/company/careers/diversity

They’re opening declaring that their goal is to reduce the percentage of white men - specifically. How do you do that unless you’re not hiring and also firing WHITE MEN?

I find it astonishing they’re so brazen about it. If you replaced “white men” with any other demographic you’d be sued endlessly.


19 posted on 01/23/2022 10:14:53 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: karpov

Is it a publicly traded company?


20 posted on 01/23/2022 10:15:18 AM PST by AndyJackson
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