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Why Are So Many Men Leaving The Workforce? Government policy certainly plays a sizable role but changing American culture cannot be ignored
Mises Institute ^ | 12/22/2022 | Ryan McMaken

Posted on 12/22/2022 8:53:08 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Maggie Gallagher once observed: When women enter a field it loses prestige.


41 posted on 12/23/2022 4:59:01 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: TalBlack
law of supply and demand

what is needed is valued. what is mot needed is not valued.

husband is not needed. the dildo
share in raising the children is not needed. gov paid childcare is now a right.

breadwinner is not needed. if not a job, yang's ubi renamed covid relief and phe.

42 posted on 12/23/2022 5:35:05 AM PST by spintreebob (ki .)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yep...I interviewed for a job where I knew I was highly qualified, nailed the interview, received excellent feedback - only to see the opening reposted via a staffing company called the ‘Professional Diversity Network’. They wanted a DEI hire. If I was a black female I’d have been hired before ending the interview.

This is rampant now.


43 posted on 12/23/2022 5:46:05 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Leaving the workforce?” They are kicked out. Colleges graduate more females than males. Men are denied jobs in favor of women. Men at work are accused of harassment. Men are denied promotions.

Unless they are “trans men”, but then they are not men.


44 posted on 12/23/2022 5:47:34 AM PST by I want the USA back (News media not worth camel spit. My pronouns: Who, What, I Don't Know.)
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To: SamuraiScot
Many excellent, disciplined, God-fearing, Republican-voting young men who are defending their country supporting a fascist regime in elite units.

Fixed it.

45 posted on 12/23/2022 5:51:59 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: SeekAndFind

I just started a new job. Fairly small company <60 employees yet they have an HR dept. You get an interview, get drug tested on site, get an appointment for a physical then go back in for four hours of orientation and have to watch 4 hours worth of stupid movies and slide presentations. Fill out a test on that info which includes harassment bs etc. Background check too of course. All for a shop job. Then you get a card plus program two machines with your index finger prints to get in and out of doors. As the song says, I feel like a number. #2270 to be specific.

Three trips spread out over two months and a total of 10 hours to get this blue collar job.

30-40 years ago, I’d walk into a place and ask if they needed help. They ask if I could read a tape measure and maybe weld etc. I’d say yes. They’d say; “When can you start?”

Most involved it would be is I ask if they need help, they hand me an app, I fill it out and I’d get to see someone right away for a 1/2 hour interview and at the end; “When can you start?”

With this new job, like all these days that have HR, there’s a 50 page company policy book. 30, 60, 90 day reviews where I’m sure they’ll list off all the data points they’re collecting. With the nasty weather, they closed down production the day before yesterday but Maintenance still got to work yesterday. Head of Maint basically told me not to come in because I have so far to drive. I bet that day off will be used against me though on my 30 day review.

There’s at least one gay guy working there and a few women. Can’t make a comment or look at any of them for too long or the wrong way, with no definition as to what that means. There’s guys walking around like zombies or robots because they’re afraid to look at or speak to anyone.

Place I worked at for 4-5 months 10 years ago also had an HR dept and utilized it to keep a flexible work force. Same size company, strict attendance rules, 50 page company policy. CEO would walk around with a clipboard held close to his chest, stop and watch you and take a few notes. You’d ask a direct supervisor for a day off or let them know you needed to be late or leave early and they’d give you permission every time. “I don’t have a problem with it” was the term they used. They would extend your probationary period indefinitely with no real reason given. Then coming up on Christmas, they’d call 20-30 people up to HR one at a time and fire them. It was an annual affair and the HR lady could care less if you had permission from a shop supervisor, who were all the son in laws of the CEO.

That CEO was deathly afraid of people Unionizing so the company also played depts against each other. They had a bonus system that was based on dept performance so only one dept got the bonus. Sometimes it would be obvious that one dept had a heavy workload and got it all done yet some other dept would get the bonus.

In the past, I worked at a lot of places where we had fun and produced a lot of work. Now everyone’s scared or pissed off due to companies playing data or head games with everyone. Most companies are top heavy now too because of the extraneous bs system they have to run. Aside from the 50 page policy manual, I had to read and sign off on having read another 50 pages at this current job. More data points they can track.

I’m making $2.00 more an hour than I did 15-20 years ago.

I’m working on multi-million dollar machines and started out at $2.00 more per hour than the fast food places start at. That’s the going rate for all the factory jobs around here.

So yeah, pardon the language but a lot of guys are saying fuck that shit. There’s not much feeling of self worth working for a company these days.


46 posted on 12/23/2022 6:03:00 AM PST by Pollard ( >>> The Great Reset is already underway! <<<)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I’m 72 and working full time or in school full time since I was 15 and intend to continue for a few more years, assuming my health holds out. I had a neighbor who was laid off in his late forties. He drove an Uber and went back to school. He now has a full time job.


47 posted on 12/23/2022 6:05:29 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: noiseman

Place I just started at has a sheet of paper taped up over the computer/timeclock extolling the virtues of Moderna and Pfizer and all “the science” behind them. The incoming HR guy couldn’t help but spit out how he and his wife put thought into it and decided to get the jab. Weeks later, he had a heart attack brought on by myocarditis. Then he said “I shouldn’t even be talking about this because it’s political”.

The outgoing HR guy had already said no politics “Because for every Trump supporter, I can find someone who hates Trump”. (You know, that guy who’s not even in office anymore)

So this incoming HR guy is afraid to talk about his heart attack because “it’s political”. If it were me, I would rip that damn sheet of paper off the wall.

I plan to work there as long as I can, save up money and go self employed. BTDT and can do it again. See my post above about how insane every small company is now with this HR bs.


48 posted on 12/23/2022 6:15:26 AM PST by Pollard ( >>> The Great Reset is already underway! <<<)
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To: RonaldusMagnus-DonaldusMagnus

It’s the same thing applied to marriage, as boomers tell millennials: “Just walk in and apply for the job with a firm handshake; I paid MY way through college working part time, so can you. And then buy a house.”

Women are already naturally hypergamous; but the leftist programming in addition to social media have made every 5 decide she is worth only a 9 or 10.

And the sexual revolution has removed women from slut-shaming other women, to the result most of them sleep around until they hit the wall; then marry a man at the level they deserve, but despise him, and are unable to bond because of past promis cuity; and then divorce him, serving as a warning to other men.


49 posted on 12/23/2022 6:40:11 AM PST by grey_whiskers ( (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.))
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To: central_va
Many excellent, disciplined, God-fearing, Republican-voting young men who are defending their country supporting a fascist regime in elite units. Fixed it.

I think you would be going full Galt in saying that. And as I recall, the Communist Party members I knew in America in the 1960s also took that same line about our men. And by the way, would you say the same thing about my father, who served in World War II in the Army Air Corps under FDR--a President little concerned about the Constitution, whose Dept. of State included Communist agents?

To make that assertion you would need to investigate, for example, whether 1) our country is not worthy of any physical protection at any level, even to repel an alien invader attacking our civilian population, and should not have any defense at all, including little kids with pea-shooters; 2) whether all our officers, including the home-schooled, traditionally raised, conservative Catholic kids I'm describing, who grew up saying the Pledge of Allegiance, would obey an unlawful order--such as shooting unarmed American civilians engaged in lawful protest against our government.

From the many examples I know, who include Green Berets and Marines, I've talked politics with them over the years, and unless they're delusional or lying, the answer would be no. In fact, their own parents would hold them accountable.

50 posted on 12/23/2022 6:43:03 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: RonaldusMagnus-DonaldusMagnus

You made some good points but a couple of observations.

Many 4 to 7 SMV women are holding out for 8 or 9 SMV en. It isn’t going to happen. When they reach 30 to 35, they start to lower expectations but are never really happy with their options. What guy wants to marry into that?

Family and criminal courts are heavily stacked against men. I can see why many minimizing one’s exposure.

Many young, single men are not lazy, drug addicts but have instead chosen to pursue their own interests and perhaps work off the grid.


51 posted on 12/23/2022 7:01:35 AM PST by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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To: SamuraiScot

Right now every member of the armed forces is supporting facsism AND THEY KNOW IT. They know I know they know it. They are not defending the Constitution but their little retirement schemes.


52 posted on 12/23/2022 7:08:30 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: central_va
Right now every member of the armed forces is supporting facsism AND THEY KNOW IT. They know I know they know it. . .

But do they know that they know that they know it?

Sometimes, they're really out to get you, I agree. But sometimes, you have the wrong guy. . . And you're half a bubble off.

53 posted on 12/23/2022 7:45:59 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: SamuraiScot

Ex Naval Officer here. I had a enlisted Marine E-5 tell me the official “party line” about recruiting. I watched him grow up, a neighbors kid. I asked him why is recruitng is so bad right now?? He agreed it is bad. Instead of trashing the WOKE military “leadership”, the fake elections, tearing down statues and the general trashing of America we have going on now and how that is the real cause of the recruiting and retention failure, he spouted off how all of a sudden American youth are to fat and lazy. All of a sudden. Like overnight, like a light switch. I asked him if he really believed that BS? He said he did, just like a good little fascist thug. He is either brain washed or a facist now. I won’t talk to him any more. Siemper F-Off.


54 posted on 12/23/2022 7:58:56 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Yep. At 61, I find myself to be an anachronism around my office of 40 or so professionals. No more good-natured ribbing, no more practical jokes, no more genuine commraderie, no more “Dammit ______! Get with the program!!!” We used to have fun. We used to produce consistently excellent work. We used to rally for each other in times of need or crisis. We used to go on weekend trips together. We used to respect knowledge and experience over technology. No more.


55 posted on 12/23/2022 8:26:47 AM PST by drwoof
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To: Secret Agent Man

So the homeless guys strung out on drugs are just victims of the gynosociety, right? Women held a gun to their heads and made them start doing drugs and told them not to get a job?

Some men have no one but themselves to blame for their problems. You’re not actually helping them by making excuses for their poor life choices.


56 posted on 12/23/2022 8:44:22 AM PST by FormerFRLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

Why Work? Unemployed Family Can Make $80,000 In Benefits, Health Subsidies.

From other FR post


57 posted on 12/23/2022 9:12:52 AM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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To: alternatives?

Wholeheartedly agree.

4 to 7 SMV female types “deserve” a 9 to 10. When it doesn’t happen, they settle. That invariably leads to catastrophe for men foolish enough to be involved the transaction.

My marriage advice: always go for the BBB: blonde, blue-eyed, bank account.


58 posted on 12/23/2022 11:16:27 AM PST by RonaldusMagnus-DonaldusMagnus
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