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Putin’s war has devastated Ukraine. It has also changed Russia.
Grid ^ | 2-21-23 | Stanislav Kucher

Posted on 02/23/2023 4:09:29 PM PST by amnestynone

n the year since Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an invasion of Ukraine, tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and civilians have been killed; countless others have been wounded. Another 14 million Ukrainians have fled their homes, and Ukraine’s economy has shrunk by more than 30 percent.

Meanwhile, a year of war has brought the Ukrainian nation together like nothing in its history.

But what has happened to Russia? Beyond the casualties — estimates suggest as many as 200,000 Russian dead and wounded — how has the war that Putin started changed his country?

In some ways, what’s happened to Ukraine is clear. What’s happened to Russia is the more complicated question.

(Excerpt) Read more at grid.news ...


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This is for all of you Putin loving cretins who think Russia is winning.
1 posted on 02/23/2023 4:09:29 PM PST by amnestynone
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To: amnestynone

“estimates suggest as many as 200,000 Russian dead and wounded”

More propaganda. On to the next Neocon Cheerleader posting...


2 posted on 02/23/2023 4:14:22 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

No it hasn’t. Any questions?


3 posted on 02/23/2023 4:17:26 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: amnestynone

So Ukraine is winning??


4 posted on 02/23/2023 4:22:08 PM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Sacajaweau

“So Ukraine is winning??”

Yes


5 posted on 02/23/2023 4:23:37 PM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: BobL
estimates suggest as many as 200,000 Russian dead and wounded

200,000 casualties seem a little high, but this indicates it is a "high end" claim.

In a near-peer conflict such as this, it is expected casualties are roughly the same on each side.

More military casualties for Russia, as it is on offense; more civilian casualties for Ukraine, as that is where nearly all the fighting is.

The question is: Who in the Russian power structure actually believes this war was necessary, and not just a "cabinet war", an adventure based on the opportunity of the moment (weak U.S. President).

It appears much closer to the stupidity of WWI than the calculated racial and geopolitics of WWII.

6 posted on 02/23/2023 4:29:15 PM PST by marktwain
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To: amnestynone

This article was written by a bunch of lefty reporters that previously worked at NPR, CNN, ABC, etc.

https://www.grid.news/about-us/

Just more propaganda.


7 posted on 02/23/2023 4:31:26 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: BobL

Probably between 20 and 40 thousand Russians and 150+ Uke death toll.


8 posted on 02/23/2023 4:32:04 PM PST by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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To: amnestynone

Did you read your own title? Ukraine is sending teenagers to the front lines now. Is that winning?


9 posted on 02/23/2023 4:32:15 PM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: marktwain

“200,000 casualties seem a little high, but this indicates it is a “high end” claim.”

It is FABRICATED and having the media keep repeating it will NOT make it real. If it were real, Putin would either be out or Russia would have martial law by now.

Independent investigations have come up with about 15,000 Russians dead, roughly the same number that Russia owns up to.


10 posted on 02/23/2023 4:33:52 PM PST by BobL
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To: Sacajaweau

I don’t think either side is necessarily “winning” but one side is definitely at fault and it’s not the side that was invaded.


11 posted on 02/23/2023 4:34:17 PM PST by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength. )
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To: amnestynone

Interesting hiw the writer describes the fear of speaking without anonymity. In a sense, America is becoming similar. Woke and cancel culture has revealed the totalitarian nature of the left.


12 posted on 02/23/2023 4:36:40 PM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: BobL
The Ukies are pushing 200,000 dead.

Wait'll they end up holding the [body]bag when the DC neocons ditch the Ukraine Project.

What's left of the Ukies are gonna be really, really mad - and not at the Russians.

What's the current reliable total of dead Russian soldiers from Medusa? 14,000 or so? [Not including the Wangers or the Donetsk/Luhansk militias, I believe].

An 8-to-1 ratio in artillery will do that to ya.

13 posted on 02/23/2023 4:44:44 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: marktwain
More military casualties for Russia, as it is on offense;

Around 8-to-1 artillery ratio, and pounding the defenders before moving in has flipped the script on that, or so some military analysts are saying.

With surprise.

14 posted on 02/23/2023 4:47:16 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

Did you see this one? It was a really informative one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0kV6gnPBh4&t=4744s

It will give the Zeepers a busted roid though.


15 posted on 02/23/2023 4:48:25 PM PST by dforest (All of America has derailed.)
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To: amnestynone

Ukraine suffered ‘Tens of thousands’ of soldiers and civilians but Russia suffered 200,000.

Sounds more like propaganda


16 posted on 02/23/2023 4:48:39 PM PST by kp2hot
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To: kiryandil

“What’s the current reliable total of dead Russian soldiers from Medusa? 14,000 or so? [Not including the Wagners or the Donetsk/Luhansk militias, I believe].”

The 14,000 includes the Russians, Wagners, and Chechens, but not the militias...so maybe 20,000 total.

And 8:1 kill ratio sounds about right (maybe a bit low), considering the huge Russian artillery advantage and that they’re priority is protecting the lives of their men, whereas Ukraine’s priority is holding land at all costs (which they are likely forced to do by their Neocon masters).


17 posted on 02/23/2023 4:49:49 PM PST by BobL
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To: dforest
Good listen.

You weren't kidding about a busted roid.

"The neocons are on a mission from God."

18 posted on 02/23/2023 5:06:25 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: BobL
And 8:1 kill ratio sounds about right (maybe a bit low), considering the huge Russian artillery advantage and that they’re priority is protecting the lives of their men, whereas Ukraine’s priority is holding land at all costs (which they are likely forced to do by their Neocon masters).

That's a good assessment.

I was referring to an 8-to-1 artillery imbalance, but your statement above isn't changed by that.

19 posted on 02/23/2023 5:08:25 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: amnestynone

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20 posted on 02/23/2023 5:13:26 PM PST by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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