"in Liman, our hospital distributed humanitarian aid. Locals came here. One of them drew a rocket Atlas. Interview of Orthopedic traumatologist, volunteer doctor of the PDMSH Sergey Bormental

Interview of Sergey (Bormental): "in Liman, our hospital distributed humanitarian aid. Locals came here. One of them pointed a rocket at us."

Orthopedic traumatologist, volunteer doctor of the PDMSH Sergey, call sign Bormental, after a full-scale attack by Russia, decided to use his knowledge, skills and experience to save the military and civilians in this war. He is also a co-founder of the Contytent Tactical Medical Center. More than 3,000 fighters and about 2,000 ordinary Ukrainians have already been taught the basics of providing pre-medical care and tactical medicine for free.

Sergey (Bormental): in Liman, our hospital distributed humanitarian aid. Locals came here. One of them pointed A 01 rocket at us

"Such exercises should generally take place at the state level," Sergey tells me during the meeting. - Banal things, in fact, save lives. This is a fact. In the United States, for example, after the introduction of such courses for civilians, the death rate has significantly decreased. In our country, too, everyone should have such knowledge.

- As a volunteer. Then it was not so easy to motivate people to do this. And the situation was not easy. The military wore flip-flops and old camouflage. There was nothing at all! Tom needed help. And not just with security. Just so you understand, the fighters wore Esmarch's harness on their butts. As, by the way, now katsaps. Therefore, I decided not only to volunteer, but also to teach tactical medicine. So we worked as instructors.

- Did you have a feeling at that time that Russia would not stop in the Donbas and would want to go further?

- There was such a thing. Even then, the enemy had a chance to go on a larger scale. After all, in the beginning we left only at the expense of dobrobats, which, by the way, then for some reason turned out to be unnecessary. I agree that the army should have become structured, but in 2014, in principle, it simply did not exist.

- Not just him. And Leonid Danilovich to the one against whose rule, by the way, I also went to protest actions, in particular "Ukraine without Kuchma". I took part in all the revolutions in general, except on Granite – I couldn't do it then (smiles. - O. M.), But my father went. And analyzing all this, I will tell you this: now is probably the last chance for Ukraine to implement the necessary changes. After all, if everything goes as in 2015-2016, then this is bad. You can already see certain trends today. You remember this precedent in Bukovel – "go to your Bakhmut!"? So many people have already forgotten about the war. For the first couple of months, this was not the case. And today the attitude is this: if no bombs fall near me, then there is no war. In such cases, I always suggest going, for example, to the East. You can not go to Bakhmut, but to the same Slavyansk. We'll load goodies into the car, take children's drawings and go to the children's houses to see them. I'm not saying go to the hospital and look at the severed limbs…

- Judging by the situation in Bukovel, which you mentioned, some people would do well to go to the hospital and see.

- Yes! I can't post those scary photos on social networks and show this reality, because I will be blocked. But after looking at how Kiev lives, I really get the impression that there is no war for people.

- And these constant sirens and periodic attacks do not keep people on their toes? Does this no longer affect the mental state and, accordingly, the perception of reality that the war continues?

- If this has never led to any negative consequences, the person does not feel a great threat. It's like with cars: there's a lot of traffic, but if you've never been in an accident, then you can drive 150 kilometers per hour, right? That's what they think.

"Absolutely! But even if he gets into an accident, after a certain time he can repeat the same thing again. The brain is able to adapt to any circumstances. You know, you can't forget about the war, even when you're abroad. Some of my female colleagues have left, but they go out to protest, volunteer, and help Ukraine. And here, some 400-500 kilometers from the front, at best, drop 100 hryvnias on the army, and then – once every six months. This is bad. I do not know how to deal with this.

"I just wanted to ask you what to do about it." How to convey to such people that the war is not just going on, but is in a hot phase?

- There is one important point here. I'll tell you what my military friend, who has been through a lot since 2014, says about this. He is 62 years old, three children, a lot of sores, but he is still at the front. So he said to me: "Seryoga, why are we fighting then?! So that people can have a peaceful life here!". This is also an interesting idea. But you and I can now go out on the street and ask at least ten people: "what are you doing for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, for victory?". Even if they tell us that they did something yesterday or a week ago, we won't check it out. Yes, for the first half of the year I saw such unity of the nation, which was not even in 2014. It was very inspiring. And then everything went downhill. People don't think ahead. Our ancestors wanted us to take care of future generations, to defend our independence and avoid the discord that always prevented us from building a state. But I don't know how to do it. You can't, relatively speaking, leave about 10 million conscious citizens here, and say to the rest: "give up your passports and go" (smiles. - O. M.). This is not an option. Therefore, we still have such a situation.

- Let's remember the beginning of a full-scale project. She found many of your colleagues at the workplace in the hospital. Were you on duty that day?

- No, at home. He told the families to go to the shelter, and went on duty to his hospital. We have a very conscious manager Oleg Pilipchuk. He gathered the doctors. They were waiting for the wounded. No intensity was observed on the first day. However, the situation was extremely tense because of everything that was happening. Especially when planes were constantly flying. Later, when the Russians came closer – to Vyshgorod, Bucha, Irpen, the administration said that everyone was being evacuated, although there was no such official order from the authorities. In principle, they can also be understood. And when I arrived from duty in my district on the 25th, I went to the place where they started building barricades. I met some cool people there. Interestingly, the police waved to us and left somewhere. And I do not know if anyone will be responsible for this. But their duties are not only to monitor law and order. 12 - year-olds and 80-year-olds don't have to carry sandbags when the police run away. This is wrong! Although, I think you know who is the first to become collaborators – the police and the SBU. Reform is also needed here. There can be no state governed by the rule of law when some of the security forces are so unconscious and corrupt. Now our force is in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But I don't want this situation to arise again later, as in 2015-2016, when I had to go to the offices with the guys for information and prove that they are really heroes (although real fighters don't like being called that). If people don't understand anything after this, I don't even know anymore…

Sergey (Bormental): in Liman, our hospital distributed humanitarian aid. Locals came here. One of them pointed a 02 rocket at us

- A lot of cars of those who left. But there were also those who remained. We made Molotov cocktails. We were instructed. The Hunters came with guns. I've never had a gun. I met my fellow soldiers there, with whom I created a medical unit. We made three strongholds where we could provide at least first aid. They were preparing, in case they came in.

- They planned to take Kiev in three days. Even the full dress uniform was taken to walk along Khreshchatyk.

- I don't know what they were thinking, because it is unrealistic to take Kiev. You can argue about their diagnosis – something between imbecility and moronism. Maybe they hoped that it would be like in the Crimea.

- Maybe. I saw how everything that was possible was dug up here, and in a week the people of Kiev were ready for any offensive. It was really impressive.

- Also a volunteer (smiles. - O. M.). I work with Svetlana Druzenko, deputy medical director of the PDMSH, at the children's hospital. After the liberation of Irpen and Bucha, PDMSH helped there. Then Svetlana told me that they were going to the East. She offered it to me. I agreed.

In general, PDMSH is a unique structure from the point of view of volunteer formation. There is close cooperation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We work as one family. We are friends with the military. We exchange phone numbers and communicate in social networks. You know, on the basis of PDMSH, you can generally make such a mobile hospital. In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, that is, but more of a post-Soviet model. And even foreigners who come to us are involved here – Canadians, Americans, I brought a Czech here. The person took a vacation, arrived in Ukraine and works as a paramedic. Imagine, without even negotiating with anyone! And he immediately asked to go to the East. We are very grateful to such people who support us. If there were more such structures as PDMSH at the state level, the situation would be different.

Sergey (Bormental): in Liman, our hospital distributed humanitarian aid. Locals came here. One of them pointed a 03 rocket at us

"That, too. But it is important that the structure of the organization is more democratic, with serious rules. Here, human relations are above all else. The value of people is so high that doctors want to constantly return after rotations.

– As you mentioned, PDMSH doctors were in the Kiev region, then in the Kharkiv region. Where exactly are you?

- I was in Moschun and Irpen after my release. Then we went from our TRO to the areas close to the front in Mykolaiv, Zaporizhia, and Kharkiv regions. Then-Estuary and Bakhmut.

- I am a pediatrician, so I was very impressed with what they did to the children... As paradoxical as it may sound, I am calm about adult corpses and serious injuries. Because if I'm still emotionally involved in all this, it will be harder for people who are close to me, such as nurses. I am an experienced traumatologist. I have seen the consequences of various accidents and accidents. Yes, not in such a mass and at the same time. And in relation to children, the emotional factor was included. I feel very sorry for them. They are not to blame for anything. They haven't lived yet. It's incredibly impressive. This is difficult. However, I was asked how I operate on very young children in this case? I don't stand there and think, "this is a six-month-old baby, how is it?!". Then I won't do my job properly. Therefore, I concentrate and think about how to do it as quickly and efficiently as possible. And that's it! It comes with experience.

- Doctors in their professional activities have their own war-with death. Unfortunately, even the best, due to certain circumstances, are not always able to win it. Can you remember such a case in the war?

"It was a soldier with critical wounds, but it was still possible to fight for him. Just so you know, there were 7 or 8 doctors. We all took turns pumping it, "started it up"twice. We made every effort, even though we didn't have many chances. He left us alive. And then they called us and said he was dead.

- Now it is more or less established. We monitor them and get a call back about their condition. And in the beginning, this issue was complete chaos. Now, First They try to record everyone – record them, determine the complexity of the injury and sorting (called triage) – where to go to which hospital. A colleague from Zhytomyr called me and told me that they were now littered. Despite the fact that some hospitals are out of work.

Sergey (Bormental): in Liman, our hospital distributed humanitarian aid. Locals came here. One of them pointed a 04 rocket at us

- I don't know. This distribution occurs in an incomprehensible way for me. Some hospitals are overloaded – really, there is nowhere to take patients. In addition, there are pathologies that some doctors have never encountered. It is very good that they do not hesitate to admit that they need help or advice, and actively communicate with each other. I also do not shy away when it is necessary to consult. Because there are cases when even the gods of orthopedics do not know what to do with it. You're right: this is a war on death.

In general, there were many such fighters that we could save. It's just that time and circumstances play a role. For example, I know that the wounded person will be brought in within a maximum of an hour, but there is an attack, and it takes three. The combat medic on the spot is doing everything possible. But not all manipulations are available in those conditions. When a wounded person is brought in, we can only state death…

Doctors also find themselves in different situations. Yesterday (April 4. - O. M.) our anesthesiologist participated in the evacuation, and they ran over two mines. Our drone captured how it all exploded. It was a good thing that everyone was in armor – they survived. If it didn't exist, they would definitely have died. That is, there are such unmanageable situations.

Sergey (Bormental): in Liman, our hospital distributed humanitarian aid. Locals came here. One of them pointed a 05 rocket at us

- Yeah. A rocket flew straight to our hospital. It broke through two floors, but did not completely explode. We had a choice: leave the fighter who has arterial bleeding and go for cover, or continue the operation. We didn't go anywhere. But we did our job efficiently. Then we went outside. And that was before dinner. One of our people looked at all this and said: "the kitchen was demolished. How are we going to eat now?! Canned food again?!". (he smiles. - O. M.). They laughed.

- It's not taken out without humor. We sometimes even go too far (smiles. - O. M.), because it is a little specific for us.

Another example when we left Bakhmut was that the cassettes "fit" well. Even the military wore hard hats. There are many such stories. They also cover everything they have.

"You're in constant danger there because of your proximity to them. When it's 10 kilometers away, it's like this, even if they can get it with artillery. And here it is closer. However, the brain switches and works.

"The injuries are no different. Only now there are more bullets. I've never seen so much in the summer.

"Exactly. Now they are close. The distance is 10-15 meters. The guys say that they see katsaps walking over their own corpses. Nothing stops them. BC ends, but they don't. I read a German doctor from World War II, where he described various cases. For example, as they crossed the Dnieper, one fighter had a contracture – he could not straighten his finger, because he constantly shot. Now give or take the same thing. Although they still stick around. Perhaps they are being chased behind by barrages.

- Either get wounded or surrender. Some alternative to being shot from behind. Therefore, the history of the NKVD – they do not come up with anything new. This has worked before. They believe that it will be the same now.

Sergey (Bormental): in Liman, our hospital distributed humanitarian aid. Locals came here. One of them pointed rocket 11 at us

- It works. But I mean, they expect the same result as in the past - that they can win. However, they will not succeed. Although there are some nuances here. I am struck by the unconsciousness of citizens in assessing the objective situation in the potential and resource of the enemy. There are 140 million of them, they have many times more! I don't know what some of our people are thinking... is it really necessary to build roads right now? I understand that we need to master the budget and make the economy work. But it would be better to put it on the rails of war – first we will win, and then we will build roads, and if necessary, we will dry up the Dnieper (smiles. - O. M.), You know?! It's just that there are people who are completely unrelated to the war. In the beginning, they served time somewhere in Transcarpathia, but now they have appeared and say everywhere that they work for the economy and pay taxes. And if about 50 percent of them went to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it would still be clear. However, this is not the case…

"But this isn't the time, is it?" War. As they say: you can not loosen the boat.

- Who said?! You need to have your own opinion and express it. I'm not talking about campaigning for certain drastic actions. This is really not the time. But there is someone to ask and something to ask later. I had a full-scale rotation for my anniversary, so my daughter and I wanted to watch a movie, were looking for it, and came across a telethon. There, the authorities said that they could not report the offensive, although they knew about it in advance.

Your colleague reacted very well:"you tell the people whose cars were shot on the Zhytomyr highway or the relatives of those who could not leave Irpen." This policy is reminiscent of Stalinism: the death of one person is a tragedy, and millions are statistics. That's what they're talking about now. You know, I also have friends - very respected people, in particular lawyers who volunteer, donate, but are very gentle with the Russians and my radical position that all enemies should be destroyed – cut out this tumor within healthy tissue.

One of them says to me, "then we'll be just like them." I say: "specifically, you were not affected by the horrors. But if the Chechens went to your wife and did something – I won't specify it, then your opinion would change a lot." Fortunately, nothing like this happened to me either, but I have been radical towards Russians since the days of the ultras. I saw what they were like.

Look, the katsaps say that we are Nazis, not even understanding the difference between Nazism and nationalism. And nationalists are the foundation of the nation. I now have many acquaintances and several close friends - fighters and medics from the "Azov", in captivity of the enemy. "Azovtsy" is an example of invincibility and heroic feat that they performed in Mariupol and not only. I really hope for a quick exchange and their return home…

Please note that today the issue of nationalism is also being discussed in the situation with the church. In fact, we are not against God. We just don't want to see FSB agents in our country…

"But you've seen statements like,' what's the difference?'! I said,"Let's go back to the days when the church was not divided into Catholics and Orthodox, and everyone was happy with everything."

However, how to prove something to people in such a situation?! We don't have radicalism. Even corrupt officials are not responsible for their actions. Almost every day there are news that sell what was supposed to be sent to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In relation to such people, there should be radical measures of influence so that they are afraid. Maybe that'll stop it.

And not these 17 thousand fine for driving under the influence, which for him is the same as for me – 100 hryvnias...

Sergey (Bormental): in Liman, our hospital distributed humanitarian aid. Locals came here. One of them pointed a rocket 12 at us

- He will pay without any problems and will continue to do the same! That's why I say that we don't have radicalism, so we have such situations. We need reforms, and so that this topic does not stall when the war is over. And this can happen in different ways.

"Like?" What do you see as possible options? There are opinions that the war will end before the end of this year or next…

- No matter how pathetic it may sound now, it all depends on the geopolitical situation – whether China will fit in, whether they will do something with Taiwan. If so, then this is the Third World War, and no one will pay attention to us, we should not expect any help. There will be a global conflict. A Complete Apocalypse!

- This is a very bad scenario. I don't want to believe that. But look what is often said: now there will be an offensive, we have a lot of weapons. People simply do not understand that it is, in fact, not enough to move at the necessary pace. In the Kharkiv region in the fall there was a surprise. This is a local victory that happens in all wars…

"They will level it to the ground within three or four months. There will simply be no city! This must be understood. I'm not here to tell you something else...

- But we are running out of resources. In particular, people – patriotic citizens who are ready to defend the country efficiently. Subpoenas come, and some people think about how to answer them. They also called me and asked if I could give a certificate of unsuitability. I answer that I have never done anything like this. Then they ask you to recommend who to contact. I say: "I will hear this again, I will come to you, and then you will have a real certificate" (smiles. - O. M.).

- Look, I even had two colleagues go abroad. I'll never give them a hand! Citizenship should be taken away from such people. They said: "This is my life!". Wait, my dear, you studied on a budget, the state has already invested resources in you. You can treat it as a structure in any way you want. But there is your land and relatives! And finally, a constitutional duty! But no – they say that they want to realize themselves there. All right. Only the passport of Ukraine on the table and please! And we don't have such strict rules. They would not allow anyone to behave abominably, starting from the top of the government, ending with antisocial elements.

Returning to our conversation about possible scenarios for the end of the War, I will tell you this: the bad thing is that katsaps are inexhaustible. Global resources are not yet involved. There's a lot of talk that they're running out of time. No! I talked to the Gunners. They say that the Russians only have S-300s for seven years. And how many people! In the same place, the word war has not yet been spoken at the official level. Apparently, they are afraid of this.

After all, in this case, the UN has the right to support one of the parties to the conflict, and then it is "blue helmets" and a frozen conflict. By the way, this may be one of the options. But it will actually be a repeat of the situation in 2015 or the Balkan conflict. I will not say that this is optimal. But we will not be able to constantly conduct military operations in the current intensity. Any action cannot be constant at a certain level.

Look, in the same Bakhmut three or four months ago there was more or less a lull-it thundered, but not as it is now. However, the current situation there must end sometime. Interestingly, there are no strategic objects there. I don't know what they're looking for. Maybe a champagne factory (smiles. - O. M.).

- That's definitely their theme. Since we are talking about Bakhmut again. Did you talk to the locals there?

"They're hardly there. Most of them went to Kramatorsk, Druzhkovka, Novokonstantinovka and so on. And those who remain have separatist sentiments. It's very noticeable from them…

"Not that they're waiting... They don't care. If the katsaps come, nothing terrible will happen for them – they will "repaint" and that's all. The conscious ones are no longer there.

There are still those who gave up on their lives. Mostly, these are elderly people or antisocial elements. Perhaps you don't need to understand them. These have always been and will always be. I'll give you an example. In Liman, our hospital distributed humanitarian aid. Locals came here. One of them pointed a missile at us. He was then captured, found correspondence, he confessed.

- It's our time. We had an interesting character, Nestor, who always adored your fellow journalists and even looked for communication with them himself. So talkative! (smiles. - O. M.). In an interview, he said a very cool phrase: "we have been preparing for this war since the beginning of gaining legal independence."

- And I once discussed with some politicians that independence in 1991 was given to us without the blood that we now pay for this war…

- Freedom and independence is a tree that constantly needs to be watered with blood. We have been fighting for independence for more than 300 years, and here it was just a bonus. People didn't appreciate it. And politicians did a lot of things. I'm not talking about Yanukovych – it's already clear there. But also about others who were in power, except perhaps Yushchenko, but he turned out to be soft-bodied.

My late father also said:"I should have voted for a true patriot Chernovol." Then there was a choice. We made a bit of a mistake. I'm not saying that we would implement the Polish scenario. But even Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia have proven that it is possible to be small countries, but spit in the face of Russia and feel normal, receiving the support of their neighbors.

Although we need to continue working not with the adult population, but with children. This is their future. There will still be this war for us. Even if we follow an optimistic scenario, we will have a difficult post-war period. Look: let us still reach the border, but we will have to drive them further. Until we destroy this Spawn, we won't be safe. They will gather again in a few years, buy weapons and go to us. Therefore, we must destroy it at the root. If you fight, then to the end. We ultras have this principle: either you win or you don't. No draw!

**Of interest:

Why Ukrainians have long called Russians 'katsaps'?

https://pictolic.com/en/article/why-ukrainians-have-long-called-russians-katsaps

2 posted on 04/13/2023 3:39:29 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare)

- Let's start from the beginning. You've been in this war since 2014...

That's a keeper.

Most of this reads like Authentic Frontier Gibberish.

3 posted on 04/13/2023 4:13:14 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust!)

“That’s a keeper.”

ABSOLUTELY!

“Most of this reads like Authentic Frontier Gibberish.”
Sorry for rough translation. ARTICLE LINK is available for further research.

4 posted on 04/13/2023 4:51:28 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray f or God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion)

To: UMCRevMom@aol.com; Widget Jr; ought-six; Timber Rattler; familyop; SpeedyInTexas; All

ping: A long article I will read when I have recovered from tax season.

5 posted on 04/21/2023 11:34:28 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority)

“Most of this reads like Authentic Frontier Gibberish.”

That’s not unusual for translations.

6 posted on 04/21/2023 1:34:29 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )

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