Posted on 06/26/2023 10:46:26 AM PDT by Impala64ssa
He also never comes out and says where he was when he was supposedly at the protest, or makes the kind of denial most people would make.
Saying "I was never a member of..." is a carefully worded denial. Some guy marching with any group wearing their uniform could in reality not be a member. Maybe they are faking membership, maybe they are an undercover operative, or maybe they just haven't paid their renewal dues.
Far from a convincing denial.
The guy unmasked went to UC Riverside and was a polysci major. He is from Encino, CA.
People who have been watching the antics of the "Patriot Front" believe that they are some sort of Fed operation. I have not seen "proof" but as a group they get treated very unusually by law enforcement.
For example, in one instance the DC police helped the group load their marchers into the backs of U-Haul moving trucks that the police allowed to line up on a major street in Washington DC. Obviously putting passengers in the back of U-Haul moving trucks is illegal.
Do you think the DC police would allow an actual group of far right protestors to do that?
It has been reported that in situations where members of the group are arrested they are allowed to keep their masks on which cover their faces. Do you think the police generally allow people to keep their masks on when they are arrested?
Strangely you don't see mug shots of them either.
And radical left wing groups don't bother engaging with them. Unlike other groups that really are conservatives, or further to the right, Antifa and their friends seem to leave the Patriot Front alone. I wonder why.
Dang, can’t see your posted graphic. Sometimes trying another browser works...will try that.
You’re posting false information. Not misleading, but FALSE. That’s not the guy. You should’ve asked for this post to be pulled.
This is an amazing statement. As if it's his responsibility to prove his innocence. This website is called "Free Republic." You may be on the wrong site if you think someone accused of something is guilty until they prove their innocence.
It’s him. Different haircut and expression; still him.
How was it determined that they were feds?
It wasn't determined. It was asserted with minimal to no evidence. It's just a bunch of Freepers in an endless loop of mindless commenting, without anyone doing any research beyond reading a twitter or two.
There is a large group of Freepers who take glee in thinking that they are so clever in "naming the Fed", but mostly they are just calling people a nasty name -"glowie" "Fed" - and doing so incorrectly.
Of the two groups involved we know one of them has been highly infiltrated by the Feds. That would be The Proud Boys. At least I know that and other people who follow the news know it. But I guess no one making these accusation (including Victoria Taft, the author of the inuendo filled OP at PJ Media) bothered to watch the Proud Boy's trial in Washington D.C. Again, lazy, uninformed but highly-opinionated.
An aside: PJ Media was founded by citizen journalists who were appalled by how lazy the MSM had become, and how they just reported claims without putting any effort into validating them. Well, 30 years on sadly the conservative alternative media is doing the same damn thing. This whole topic is as fake as Dan Rather's reporting on George W. Bush's Air Force record. (ie: "Rathergate). That's really sad.
Here's what we learned at the Proud Boys trial:
New York Times:So, the Proud Boys are a pretty sad organization. They are riddled with Feds, and their activites were poorly designed, the group had terrible security and didn't think clearly about what they were doing.
In Proud Boys Jan. 6 Sedition Trial, F.B.I. Informants AboundOver the past two months, one subject has repeatedly come up at the trial of five Proud Boys accused of sedition in connection with the storming of the Capitol: the unusual number of informants that the F.B.I. had in or near the group.
Even before the trial began, defense lawyers had suggested that the bureau had as many as eight informants in the far-right organization in the months surrounding Jan. 6, 2021. At least one of them — from the group’s chapter in Kansas City — was in the throng of Proud Boys that marched on the Capitol that day.
On Wednesday, new court papers revealed that there was yet another informant in the Proud Boys’ orbit, one who became uncommonly close to people involved in the sedition trial.
As a result four Proud Boys were found guilty of "Seditious Conspiracy" and will be looking at some long sentences. (Trial was in May, sentencing for most of them hasn't happened yet.) Other Proud Boys who were part of the poorly conceived and ill-fated January 6 event, but were not charged with sedition, have received sentences in the 4 to 5 year range.
Even if you feel, as I do, that the prosecution of the Proud Boys and most other January 6 protesters is way over-the-top and illegitimate, that still doesn't change the fact that the Proud Boys set up a perfect trap for their own memeber, with 1/2 of the people attending being Feds.
That's all factual, facts that were established by trial testimony and evidence given under oath.
Yet: here we have our Freeper Experts insisting that the other guys are all Feds and "glowies.
Do they cite any evidence to support that claim? Only the weakest tiny bit. Essentially: "Well one guy looks like a picture of a college student. Might be the same guy. The guy's social media says he hopes to work for the government after leaving college."
And that's it. So, on the one hand: we have the drunken brawling society that is The Proud Boys, which has a long history of acting like fly paper to turn misfits into "right wing extremists with felony convictions".
And, on the other hand: we have -what exactly? The neo-Nazis! The Patriot Front! Who are actually all Feds! ...
Is any of that true? Well, actually no, it's not. Here's what is:
The original article by Victoria Taft (bless her heart) says that "when a group of black-bloc outfitted young men"... This is incorrect. The men were not in black-bloc, which is the uniform of antifa. Which is weird, she's a local (to Portland) reporter, hasn't see been watching the antifa riots, at least on local TV? The "black bloc" is all black, head to toe. Nothing but black, no jewelry or weird shoes, and black masks. A uniform.
The idea of black block, which began with anarchist protesters in Europe and gained traction in the Pacific Northwest in 1999 with the anti-WTO protests in Seattle (which turned into a riot), is to prevent police or intellegence gathering groups to make any identification of the people involved in their pre-meditated rioting.
What the anarchist / antifa "black blok" uniform looks like:
Portland antifa in "black block", their uniform for street thuggery
Victoria Taft is wrong. But if it's not the antifa, or people dressed like the antifa then it's the Patriot Front, right?
No, that's wrong also. The Patriot Front did borrow the tactic of "everyone dress the same and mask up" from the antifa. (All the Proud Boys who will be doing those long 4 year prison sentences in Club Fed probably wish they had been smart enough to dress the same and mask up on Jan. 6).
But, like the Portland antifa and anarchists the Patriot Front uniform is very specific, and the guys in the brawl with the Proud Boys were not in that uniform, either.
What the Patriot Front uniform looks like:
Patriot Front members at a recent event in Washington DC
What the guys brawling with the Proud Boys looked like:
Members group pictured fighting with the Proud Boys in Oregon City last week.
So, we can also tell by close observation that group fighting with the Proud Boys and dressed in khaki and black are not the Patriot Front. Again, wrong uniform.
So who were the guys brawling with the Proud Boys, anyway?
The guys fighting with the Proud Boys in Oregon City are a local Portland area group called "Rose City Nationalists" also known as the "Rose City Nationalist Club". They have been around for about a year.
The leftwing alternative news site "The Young Turks" identified them as such in their report, where you can see the actual riot footage still (it's been deleted off most other sites):
YouTube: The Young Turks:Why Did Proud Boys UNMASK Nazis At A Pride Event?
So, who are the Rose City Nationalists, then? Are they all FBI agents?
Well, as you'd expect (if you live in Portland and follow the goings on of both sides of the violent street thug scene) the antifa have gathered a lot of information on them, and have put it on line.
A tactic of the antifa in Portland is to "dox" or identify by name anyone who opposes them or who they determine is "fascist" or "racist" or other isms that they oppose. Once they have doxxed a person they will engage in harrassment including vandalism of the persons house and car, street confrontations (many-on-one), and outright violence. This is why a group formed to oppose antifa in Portland might choose to wear masks.
It's not necessarily because they are glowies - it's because there are serious repercussions to opposing antifa publicly and on the streets in Portland, an evil city dominated by the far left with a government and justice system extremely sympathetic to antifa and hostile to anyone "on the right".
Andy Ngo got a concrete "milkshake" thrown at his head and almost died. Aaron "Jay" Danielson, a Trump supporter who attended a truck convoy Trump rally that ended in downtown Portland was shot and killed by antifa for no reason other than his right-wing (pro Trump) political position.
Here are some pictures of the Rose City Nationalists from their web site, as archived by their enemies the Portland antifa:
As you can see they favor the same "black sun" symbol that the Ukrainian Nazis also favor.
Looking at other social media sites of theirs you can find their self-professed ideology laid out. From their Gab site:
Rose City Nationalist Club @RoseCityNationalists Feb 26 · · Edited Northwest Nationalist Network (3N) is a collective of autonomous Nationalist groups based in the Pacific Northwest. United under the Black Sun Tri-Color, these groups will work together to foster White unity and re-instill a sense of pride and belonging in Our People. For too long, the leftist establishment here in the PNW has enjoyed little to no resistance. Antifascists do the dirty work of the establishment and commit crime with impunity. Our streets are adorned with monuments to anti-White hatred and sexual degeneracy while even the most milquetoast of Nationalist statements are suppressed by the government and it’s cronies.In summary: The people the proud boys were fighting with were not the Patriot Front (which is not active in the Portland area), but rather a different group the Rose City Nationalists. They are as related as Free Republic and Blaze Media.With the formation of 3N, we will now begin to see widespread and coordinated efforts to combat the establishment’s anti-White agenda. In time, the PNW will no longer be synonymous with the BLM riots in Portland. Rather, the PNW will be seen as a bastion of hope for Our People. We will take back what is rightfully our’s. We will have our home again.
The group is a self-avowed White Nationalist group, who use iconography similar to other fascist and neo-Nazi groups including the black sun and the roman salute. Close enough for the term NeoNazi to be used accurately? Yes.
Is there any evidence that all these people are really FBI agents?
No. Looking at their web pages, it's pretty obvious that it's a small group and they are putting a lot of time into their activities.
It's not well known outside of the area, but Portland and the I-5 corridor is not only the hotspot for far left antifa and anarchists but also has a very active White Nationalist movement. There has been a plan put forward in the 1970s to make Washington, Oregon and Idaho a white-only ethnostate. There have been people organized around that idea or plan ever since (so, 50 years). It seemed to have died out, but was reanimated in the last 10 years via sites like Redit and 8chan, and is once again attracting disaffected white nationalists to move to the area in hopes of one day effecting their revolution.
It's pretty clear that this is who these guys are. Not FBI agents or trainees, as keeps being said.
Love your photos!!
But the
‘OATHKEEPERS’ were infiltrated Massively!
Not sure of your Agenda but Seems Ya Got one.
*bump*
Interesting analysis.
You're doing what you're accusing others of.
You have no proof that's who they are and that they're not fed run.
There is lot of information about these guys out there. I posted the links from the Antifa "intelligence" site to make a specific point: the nationalist club has a good reason to try to hide their identity, they are already being targeted by a very violent group.
It's very hard to disprove an assertion like that. We saw that in this case. Someone did some sort of facial match and said that a fellow in California is one of the nationalists. The fellow made a video saying "No, I'm not. I've never even been to Oregon City, I'm not the person pictured." About 50% of people on Twitter say "I don't believe you".
It's a lazy habit that many boomer-era conservatives have fallen into: instead of trying to learn anything about these Generation Z conservatives they just say "they look very fit and are all wearing chinos - they must be Feds", and then they really believe it.
Here is the groups Gab home page. On it you can see video of a lot of their protest actions, and various things they've posted. Doesn't it seem a little preposterous that some FBI agent would be posting all this stuff for months and months, doing banner drops all over Oregon, protesting transgender stuff?
Another thing I notice is that their stuff isn't simplistic enough to reflect the FBI mind. If a couple guys show up with brand new Nazi flags at somebody else's rally, that looks like a FBI style setup.
This?
You can also hear the founder of the group being sympathetically interviewed by another far-right guy here.
So, if he's an FBI agent he's a very deep cover one. I guess that's possible, but no one has presented one iota of evidence to support it. (Except the refuted: "this guy looks like that guy, and his frat page says he wants to work for the Government" claim).
The Gen Z right-wing activists are much more security conscious than the Boomer and Xer groups that did the Jan. 6 action, which all turned out to be massively infiltrated. (Proud Boys, Oath Keepers). Not just the uniforms and masks, but the fact that most of their actions are not publicly announced ahead of time, preventing agent provocatours, which, again the Jan 6 even was full of, apparently (Ray Epps).
So: we have lots of examples of poorly run right-wing groups that have been infiltrated, and these guys don't have any of the tell-tale signs.
Yuppers...
Lot of Keyboard Commandos
Comrade.
Ray Epps new friend Ben Brody.
doing this demasking has been talked about as a tactic ever since patriot front started to show up.
Many are criminals working for the feds to avoid jail.
In the Garland, TX "Draw Mohamed" shooting there was an undercover, full blooded fbi agent in the car directly behind the perps.
He knew exactly what was going on and didn't warn anyone.
His job was to video the attack.
Congratulations! With your insults, illogic, poor reasoning, and intense manipulative tone, you have certainly convinced me YOU are a fed.
You sound exactly like the phony “doctors” who showed up during covid, and who never returned to apologize for how wrong they were.
Sorry. Antifa is just an idea.
One dreamed up by another intelligence agency. Centrally located. For the purpose of quickly drumming up a domestic color revolution on demand.
You haz a smell.
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