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To: Wpin

Exactly!

People here can come up what ever theological reference they wish in order to make themselves feel better, but here is a historical fact based upon scripture:

Peter was only known as Simon, until The Lord called him Rock (Peter).

Anybody who suggests that the Peter is not the Rock can argue with The Lord.


40 posted on 06/28/2023 6:01:10 AM PDT by beancounter13 (A Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: beancounter13

Yes, that’s exactly what Jesus did. He built his church, his holy church, directly and squarely upon the shoulders of one human being. Do you comprehend how ridiculous that is?


45 posted on 06/28/2023 6:24:31 AM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: beancounter13; RaceBannon; freedomjusticeruleoflaw
Anybody who suggests that the Peter is not the Rock can argue with The Lord.

No: Anybody who suggests that the Peter was not called a stone can argue with The Lord. "And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone [Petros] (John 1:42)

But anybody who suggests that Peter was called the Rock upon whom the church was built can argue with the Lord about His manifest use of language. Petros is only refers to Peter in the NT, and never for a actual physical rock. But there is a word for the rock upon which the church is built, and for Christ (two words): I tell you that you are Peter, [Petros] and it is on this rock [petra] that I will build my church, and the powers of hell will not conquer it. (Mat 16:18)

In contrast to Peter (“petros”), that the LORD Jesus is the Rock (“petra”) or "stone" (“lithos,” and which denotes a large rock in Mk. 16:4) upon which the church is built is one of the most abundantly confirmed doctrines in the Bible (petra: Rm. 9:33; 1Cor. 10:4; 1Pet. 2:8; cf. Lk. 6:48; 1Cor. 3:11; lithos: Mat. 21:42; Mk.12:10-11; Lk. 20:17-18; Act. 4:11; Rm. 9:33; Eph. 2:20; cf. Dt. 32:4, Is. 28:16) including by Peter himself. (1Pt. 2:4-8)

While men can argue about the significance of the difference between the Greek (the language the Holy Spirit chose to express the New Testament revelation in) words “Petros” (Peter, or stone in Jn. 1:42) and “petra” (rock) in Mt. 16:18, and what the LORD might have said in Aramaic, the phrase “this stone” (“touton lithosis”), used to identify the cornerstone which is the foundation of the church, (Mt. 21:42) is only used of Christ as regarding a person. (Mt. 21:44)

It is by the “rock of this faith” that the church not only exists but it gains its members. (1Cor. 12:13; Eph. 1:13) And it is by the essential faith which Peter expressed that church overcomes: "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" (1Jn, 5:5; cf (1Jn. 2:13,14,25)

And linguistical debates never end:

David Garland (“Reading Matthew”, New York: Crossroad Publishing, 1995) contending that there is a very good possibility that the possible “underlying Aramaic” for the “petros/petra” wordplay (possibly “kepha/kepha” in the unknown Aramaic) may well have been “kepha/tnra” – which then separates the Greek “petros/petra” by more than just gender issues; it changes the whole meaning of the wordplay. And this “changed wordplay” greatly advances the (already likely) scenario that Peter is not “the rock” of that verse.Following on what Garland pointed out, Everett Ferguson, in his “The Church of Christ: A Biblical Ecclesiology for Today” (Grand Rapids/Cambridge: Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1996), also affirms that in the Syriac language, which is a later form of Aramaic, does indeed make the “kepha/tnra” distinction in existing Syriac translations of the Gospel of Matthew:... More, by the grace of God.

103 posted on 06/28/2023 8:58:09 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey)
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To: beancounter13
There is a world of difference between a rock, and THE Rock.

We believers are all living stones.

1 Peter 2:4-5 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Peter is just another one with the rest of us.

121 posted on 06/28/2023 9:53:38 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!)
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