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1 posted on 07/03/2023 8:48:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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For better or worse the constitution we have has worked for some two hundred and forty seven years.
2 posted on 07/03/2023 8:53:57 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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All totalitarians abuse written law.

The problem is not the Constitution in any way, shape or form. It has been abused going back further than even Dred Scott v. Sandford.


3 posted on 07/03/2023 8:54:33 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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Choosing senators!! The 17th amendment MUST be repealed. Filth/graft/absolute power.......I suggest treason at those who pretend to practice law in the U.S. senate


4 posted on 07/03/2023 8:54:52 PM PDT by mythenjoseph (Positive outlook)
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But the Founders wrote that clause envisioning a collection of powerful and occasionally competing states.

They also envisioned an economy where most of what people used would be produced locally, and goods would be relatively generic. They didn't envision an economy where things people used would be produced across the country or across the world, and processed brands replace generic staple goods.

5 posted on 07/03/2023 9:05:58 PM PDT by x
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Nope, the real problem is corrupt politicians who ignore the Constitution.


7 posted on 07/03/2023 10:11:09 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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No, we need a constitution that politicians know, respect and follow.


11 posted on 07/04/2023 12:01:26 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Marbury Vs. Madison. Jefferson predicted that with the Court taking upon itself the power of final judgment of the Constitution (Judicial Review) it would play with it like putty and mold it into anything they felt like.

Why has Congress let the Court keep this power? Because the job of a typical Congressman is simply to be reelected. Having the Court decide on all the controversial issues keeps them from losing votes by having to take sides.

The Constitution did put in a remedy for this inevitable decay of liberty with Article V. Unfortunately it is so powerful a remedy nobody dares to use it because of the fear that the other side will get the upper hand.

12 posted on 07/04/2023 12:13:08 AM PDT by Nateman (If Mohammad was not the Anti Christ Mad Moe definitely comes in as a Strong second..)
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...the rampant abuse of the Interstate Commerce Clause, which has been going on for centuries and has been used to swell the powers of the federal government vastly at the expense of the states.

This is my biggest beef with the Feds. They, through a huge power grab initiated by the SCOTUS (!), have decimated the 10th Amendment into practical non-existence.

What's the way out of this? Educate people on the supremacy of the 10A over the Feds (and their Commerce Clause), as it should be.

Yes, it will take time, but isn't it worth it?

14 posted on 07/04/2023 3:59:43 AM PDT by jeffc (Resident of the free State of Florida)
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The Constitution would surely benefit from an update, to clarify the meaning of certain phrases, but getting there won’t be easy.

For example, the meaning of the word “regulate” has evolved over the years. What once meant “make regular” today implies “micromanage” by our crooked overlords. Clarifying the meaning of the 14th Amendment wouldn’t hurt, either.

But to change even a single word of the Constitution would open EVERY word to meddling and that could be dangerous.


16 posted on 07/04/2023 4:26:20 AM PDT by DNME (… all experience hath shewn ….)
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The real battle was lost when the “general welfare” and “interstate Commerce” clauses were hijacked.


19 posted on 07/04/2023 4:47:49 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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I don’t think anyone has a reason to blame the founders or even the government officers themselves in a lot of ways for the slow burning of the Constitution. I don’t think the founders were aware of the immense change in the world when they were penning it. The failure is two way and is not in the original document, but what it has been changed into and it’s inability to stay up with the changing world.

The position of politicians changed from the originals. I believe they considered the whole as a unit. Bu they didn’t work for money on this except at certain times.

The Founding Fathers only paid the senators and representatives a ‘per diem’ amount when in session as the founding fathers knew if Congress were ever to be paid salaries (which they could vote to increase themselves), then Congress would no longer be ‘of the people’ but rather ‘above the people’. And by offering themselves a stout workable wage, like today, their business interests (pork) would become a hindrance to the consistency and sometimes fairness of the candidates by buying votes thus supplying the ruling positions with agendas not for the whole. And that’s where the Constitution failed due to it’s own vulnerability and the greed of the people that are running around it. So they traded ruling by other countries rulers for creating politicians that were placing themselves in the same mask. It’s not the document in its origins, it’s the politicians in their questionable business. And now it’s at all levels of government.

wy69


20 posted on 07/04/2023 4:50:52 AM PDT by whitney69
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The real problem is NOT THE CONSTITUTION, but Marxists who want to repeal the Constitution!


21 posted on 07/04/2023 4:51:19 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Guns don't kill people, LIBERALS DO!! Support the Second Amendment...)
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The only hope .. short of CW.. is a amicable? separation ..by states.. from the federal government. Stop taking federal money except where it is Constitutionally mandated. And get the Fed out!


22 posted on 07/04/2023 5:01:35 AM PDT by Leep (What skill or service did the biden family have that netted them tens of millions of dollars?)
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The Founders did assume a literate and well-meaning population.


25 posted on 07/04/2023 5:37:22 AM PDT by GingisK
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The constitution is fine. The problem is Washington DC the executive branch, the congressional branch, and the Supreme Court branch. They all refuse to follow the constitution. Now here we are.


28 posted on 07/04/2023 6:05:33 AM PDT by Hattie
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The Constitution isn’t flawed by any means it’s why the Bolshevik democrat party wants to eliminate it.

They have never stopped trying to change the wording or it’s meaning the founders knew what life under tyranny was like and created a life of liberty to live under.


31 posted on 07/04/2023 9:12:05 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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