Posted on 07/07/2023 9:37:40 AM PDT by Kazan
Russia has been using their 30% dud rate cluster munitions against Ukrainian civilians for the past 500 days.
The US ones are 2.35% dud rate and will be used against entrenched Russian troops.
Zenlensky is doing the all the stuff to make him a certain kind of cult legand, e.g., banning opposition politicans/parties, closing churches and taking their buildings and lands, and maintaining the NAZI idealogy as a core value of Ukraine’s ruling party/elite. The Z-man is going to be the only NAZI anyone remembers after 2024, and Biden won’t be remembered as a “Churchillian” figure, but a corrupt politician compromised by Ukrainian corruption and running this war to line the Biden family coffers.
Yea, we know the Uke way of shelling civilians and it has been ongoing since 2014.
Everyone thinks cluster munitions will be the magical sword for the Uke’s to win, but in reality they are most effective against static targets. Once the Uke’s do this the gloves will come off and they will overrun.
But hey we won’t have to wait move than a few days to see the Russian airforce drop cluster munitions as reprisals all over Ukraine in a move that will make a Blitzkrieg assualt look like child’s play.
Uke’s use cluster munitions and Russia will throw 500k - 1M soldiers into this and finish the Uke military in the process.
Are you saying we plan to send the CBU-97s with multiple bomblets, not the type of cluster bombs used by Russia in Afghanista
The Russians dropped lots of cluster bombs in Afghanistan. They were infamous for being picked up by children and killing or amputating limbs.
Things I have heard in the news today: They will be restricted to use only in battle conditions. [The heavily built Russian defensive positions where a lot of soldiers are waiting to fight are the perfect location for cluster bombs.] No use for civilian targets and communities. USA has large quantities of cluster munitions that are getting old. US military thinking is, we might as well use them up for a suitable military situation before their expiration date.
It looks like this will happen, I just hope Ukraine keeps its word on an extensive mine and other explosive ordnance clean-up when the fighting ends, and on keeping good records of exactly where each cluster bomb was used for follow up disposal of unexploded old bomblets. Because of the huge dam flooding, many Russian planted mines were flushed out and now scattered over the countryside. This will all need cleanup before it will be safe for farmers to plow fields.
Anyone who believes Lying Joe Biden or Victoria Nuland’s puppet is a fool.
When the bomblets explode, it is when they in the air and as they detect a vehicle. Each bomblet -- forty in all -- forms an aimed, armor penetrating slug of molten metal, with more widely dispersed shards that can destroy or disable soft targets like trucks.
The key point is that they are bombs, not mines, which is what the Soviets used to such deadly and criminal effect in Afghanistan. Are unexploded cluster bombs dangerous? Potentially, if found and tampered with, but unexploded artillery and rocket shells are even more dangerous. I would rather have to deal with an unexploded device that has an inert infrared fuse than a still live fuse that can be set off by contact like a mine or artillery shell or conventional bomb.
Anyway, since Ukraine is where the battles are taking place, they have every incentive and the experience to prepare for the necessary post-battle cleanup -- just like after WW II and the recent Russian planted minefields and booby traps. The Ukrainians are well aware of the problem.
DPICM 155mm M864 Shells: supply is limited to what is needed to break through Russian defense lines. Contains either 48 low power M42 grenades or 24 high power M46 grenades. These shells are also useful to de-mine.
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Obviously you are paid shill for the deepstate, since this comment is both unsupported and actually off point.
For one, an effectiveness of 97.65% vs an effectiveness of 70% is only part of the story. The other part of the story is cost, quantity on hand readily delivered to operational forces, and in combat rate of sustained fire. A 27.65% increase in effectiveness does not offset the 5 or 10 to 1 advantage in rate of fire that every nondeepstate propagandist admits Russia possesses over the Ukie [aka NATO] forces deployed against them. Also Ukraine has virtually no air-delivery capability.
And to that point, there is a reason that the Russians have a very substanital air defence advantage. During the Cold War our strategy against the Russians was to emphasize our air threat against Russia to force them to expend a lot of money on air defense capabilities. Well, it worked. They did.
A sober view of overall net capabilities and options would be useful here since you seem happy with tactics that will ladder escalate this into WWIII.
The technical challenges of the CBU-97 were so daunting that the weapon was repeatedly suspended or canceled during development
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I can believe it. The fact that they were able to stick with it and get it to work is remarkable. The way it works and the level of complexity is like something Wile E. Coyote would come up with but it’s actually real.
The key to making it work was combining an integrated control circuit with solid state infrared and laser sensors. Now that can be done with commercial, off the shelf components, but at the time, it was unprecedented and absurdly expensive.
Right, those little spinning disks dangling from parachutes have to make smart firing decisions very quickly based on what they’re seeing with their sensors. To even attempt that in first place is pretty audacious, and to have attempted it with the tech of 30 or so years ago is...I don’t even know the words. Just to have made the pitch to get a program like that funded would have been audacious. The story of its development would probably make for an interesting movie.
A rocket motor then briefly fires, stopping the descent and setting the submunition spinning. Four spring loaded hockey puck like skeets ejected at ninety degree angles, with the skeets each spinning and wobbling.
The infrared sensors in the skeet see a conic area and explode when a target is detected. The explosive charge is shaped so that it forms a lens that converts much of the metal of the skeet into a slug of hot metal known as a self-forging projectile. The sensors direct it at the top of a tank, especially at the heat of engine compartment.
The basic technology dates from WW II. Explosive lenses were theorized and then developed by the US to make the implosion type atomic bomb used on Nagasaki. And the first proximity fuse projectiles were made by the US with miniature radar devices in order to better shoot down enemy aircraft.
In the closing months of WW II, then top secret radar proximity fused antiaircraft shells had a devastating effect on attacking Japanese aircraft. Some historians believe that without them, the US would have had to withdraw the fleet from Okinawa and Japan due to Kamikaze attacks.
Oh that’s right, it wasn’t the submunitions that did the IR scanning, it was the SUB-sub-munitions (the pucks)...and I had completely forgotten about the rocket motor firing that the parachuted submunitions did. Truly wild stuff and remarkable that they were able to make all that complex choreography happen reliably in the field.
The proxy war is getting out of hand
Something has to give
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