Now I'm Nostradamus?
Posted on 10/11/2023 2:32:41 PM PDT by nickcarraway
In the aftermath of the Hamas attack on Israel, the Instagram account of Nattiv — the first Israeli director to ever win an Oscar and the director of 2023's 'Golda,' a film about the 1973 Yom Kippur War — has become a principal source of information about the missing and the dead.
“God, it’s **** crazy,” Guy Nattiv said with exasperation when we connected by phone this week, in the aftermath of the Hamas attack on Israel that has resulted in the deaths and hostage-taking of hundreds of Israelis. “This is a holocaust.”
Nattiv, the first Israeli filmmaker to ever win an Oscar — he won best documentary short for 2018’s Skin — and the director the 2023 film Golda, which chronicles Golda Meir’s response to the 1973 surprise attack on Israel that resulted in the Yom Kippur War, has lived in the United States for the past decade, since he met the woman who would become his wife, the actress-filmmaker Jamie Ray Newman. But he remains deeply connected to Israel, where many of his family members and friends still reside. And when Hamas attacked Israel last week, he instinctively decided that he should use his Instagram platform as a “shofar” — a horn, of sorts, that Jews blow on Rosh Hashanah — to help get the word out about his countrymen who have been taken hostage or are missing. “A lot of people there are like, ‘Please, Guy, post that my sister is missing’ and ‘my kid is missing’ and ‘my wife is missing,'” he says. “They say, ‘Please post about it so the world can hear and help us!'”
In the days since the attack, much of Israel and Hollywood has turned to Nattiv’s Instagram account for the latest information on what is happening in Israel. His grassroots efforts have been particularly appreciated given the ineffectiveness of the Israeli government to share that same information, he says. But, he acknowledges, it has also taken a toll on him, as he reviews the disturbing and heinous graphic content that he has been sent before determining what he can conscionably share with the world.
During our conversation, he spoke about why he feels he must continue his work on Instagram, what lessons he feels the Yom Kippur War should provide for the current Israeli leadership, how he feels about the response to the new war from his fellow denizens of Hollywood and much more.
Where and how are your family members in Israel?
My family is in the center of Israel. A few of my family members were drafted [into the military and sent] to the north and to the south. I’m trying to bring other members of my family to the states for the next two weeks so they can have a breather — we have babies and we have kids.
How did you first hear that Israel was under attack? And how did you process it?
It was Friday night. We were at dinner at a friend of mine, Florian Zeller, the director of The Father and The Son, and we had a beautiful meal with he, his wife and their kid, and some filmmakers from France. Suddenly I started getting text messages, “It’s another Golda!” and “Golda 2!” I was like, “What?!” “They’re doing Yom Kippur 2!” And I was like, “Are you **** with me?” So I turned on the news and I saw that Hamas had just entered Israel at 6 o’clock in the morning without any resistance, and 100 militants had started butchering Israelis. I started getting more messages, “They’re butchering our people! They’re butchering our villages, our kibbutzes!” I told Florian, “I’m sorry, but I’ve got to go home [in L.A.]. I’ve got to start dealing with this.” And I started a war room to deal with it here, so that people could understand exactly what was going on.
Who is sending you stuff to post and why?
Many people contacted me because they feel that the world needs to know what’s going on. In Israel, people know me because of the Oscar and Golda, and so they thought that I might be able to help this go viral. I’ll give you an example. Did you hear about the grandmother who was sitting in her house when a terrorist came — she was the first one to get hit — and he killed her, took her phone and posted her on her Facebook? That’s how her family members heard about it. So her grandson, who lives in Canada, direct messaged me via Instagram and said, “My grandmother just died like that and I want the whole world to see what’s going on,” so I posted it. Another one: A man’s family was kidnapped into Gaza, including his two little girls, who are my daughters’ age, and he direct messaged me. And then all the missing people — I posted all of those names, which I got from the family members. It’s not even from the IDF [Israeli Defense Forces] or the government, because the government was dysfunctional. The Yom Kippur debacle was basically 10 percent of what’s happened here.
I know it’s still early to talk about this and it’s not the main concern right now, but how do you think this happened?
Look, I’m not a military expert, but I can just tell you what I’ve heard from army personnel and from people who are starting to deal with this. I think that because [Israeli prime minister] Benjamin Netanyahu was so busy with the judicial system and his own private issues [Netanyahu has greatly divided Israel by trying to enact major judicial reforms while facing accusations of corruption] and had sent a lot of troops to guard the illegal settlers in Judea and Samaria in the West Bank [Netanyahu has encouraged Israeli settlement expansion in disputed territories], he was asleep about Gaza on a holiday [Hamas attacked on Simchat Torah, which also fell on the sabbath]. Israel in 2023 is like a cyber-country, but we didn’t even hear or follow any signs that Hamas was planning an attack?! People say it was being planned months ahead, maybe even a year ahead. It’s a debacle for everyone — the intelligence community, Bibi [Netanyahu’s nickname], his ministers, the minister of defense. It is a complete, disastrous ****-up. But I think it all comes back to Benjamin Netanyahu focusing on the judicial system and the high court.
The people who are contacting you about their murdered or missing relatives — are they at the point yet where they are expressing blame?
Not yet. They’re mourning their loved ones. And babies and kids are still being held captive. So when you’re mourning, you don’t have the energy to deal with the debacle yet. With the Vietnam War, it took a while until people thought about what the **** happened there. I think there will be a huge shake-up, a huge political earthquake, after this war is over. A lot of heads are going to fly.
There’s a great desire among many to go into Gaza, but Hamas is now threatening to kill hostages if Israel does. What do you hear from the relatives of people who have been kidnapped or are missing about how they would like Israel to respond?
There are a lot of different voices on that. A lot of them want to exchange prisoners; a lot of them don’t know what to say or what to do; and a lot of them say you need to just destroy Hamas, you cannot give them any reward [such as prisoner exchanges], because these are monsters — this is [like] ISIS, they’re not human beings. But we all know that once IDF puts a foot on the ground in Gaza, there will be a lot of executions. But you heard Biden — he said, “Do not **** with Israel because you are **** with us.” I respect that. That is leadership.
In preparation for your film Golda, you studied how Golda Meir responded to the surprise attack in 1973. Are there lessons from then that Netanyahu should consider, in terms of what to do or what not to do now?
I think right now there’s no comparison. The Yom Kippur War was the biggest debacle Israel had ever had, and we all thought that we learned the lessons from that — that’s what the movie speaks about. But this one is so huge that I think we haven’t learned anything. It’s like waking up to a nightmare, and no one knows what to do yet. We are still in shock. First of all, we have to mourn the dead and bury our loved ones, and this is something that will take days because we have more than 1,200 slaughtered people. And then you have to supply the Holocaust survivors and others who are captive with their medicine — a lot of them need heart medications and pills — through the Red Cross. There are so many things to do. And in the meantime, you need to make sure that Hezbollah is not attacking us from the north and creating another front.
How do you feel about the way that people in Hollywood have reacted to this crisis? Have you been impressed or disappointed?
I’m getting tons of private messages from people in Hollywood — tons. Some are vocal and have the guts to publicly support Israel, and some do not because they don’t want to lose followers or they don’t think the same. But I want to hear people more vocal about what’s going on. It’s like what Amy Schumer wrote, you don’t have to be anti-Palestinian in order to support Israel right now; you can support Palestinians and their right to live in their own country — a two-state solution — and still post something against this massacre. Edgar Ramirez, who is not Jewish, posted “Am Yisrael Chai” [Hebrew for “The People of Israel Live”]. Jessica Chastain wrote, “Be a **** human when thinking about what happened this morning in Israel.” Bono, in a U2 concert, dedicated a song to Israel. So there are many people who have done the right thing, but there are also many people who have disappointed me. I’m not going to out people who have disappointed me, but there are some, I’m not going to lie.
What, in your view, would be the most helpful response from high-profile people who haven’t yet stated anything?
Just post one thing: “I Stand with Israel.” Show that you understand what we are going through. You know, Israelis and Jews are part of Hollywood, we are part of your industry, so show us your solidarity, just like you do with Ukraine. That’s what we need. We don’t need anything else. It’s acknowledging the atrocity. This is the worst massacre that Jews — not only Israelis, but Jews — have had since the Holocaust. In one day, 1,200 people were slaughtered. In one day! Massacred. We need to acknowledge this. This was not just an operation or a conflict. This was an atrocity. This was a holocaust. And people need to acknowledge this, even if they’re not Jewish. I have Palestinian friends in Hollywood. I am pro-Palestine. I am pro-free Palestine. I’m a lefty, I’m not a conservative. I’ve always supported the Palestinian people, and my friends know that. But I wish also for my Palestinian friends to support Israel and show that Hamas is not a legitimate group of people, they are animals.
Are there things that everyday Americans can do to be supportive of Israel at this time?
Yes. I would love for people to donate financial aid to Israelis who lost their homes and families. Even just one shekel [the Israeli currency], it doesn’t matter how much. I encourage people to do this through OneFamilyTogether.org.
What do you think happens next?
Who knows? I hope that Hamas will collapse, that we will clean the Gaza Strip from weapons and terror and that we’ll give these people, who have lived under oppression, the freedom to choose how to live. And, of course, that we will bring back our loved ones.
Lastly, I know that you’re thinking about how this crisis is affecting everyone else, but because you are sort of the middle man you are seeing everything, including a lot of disturbing and upsetting stuff, some that is too gruesome for you to even share with others. How are you holding up?
I’m trying to meditate. I don’t know yet how it will affect me — I am seeing horrible images — but it will affect me eventually, and I will need a lot of therapy. A lot.
In other words, the Left in Israeli and the color revolution creeps in the West are largely responsible.
Color revolution ping
“Color revolution ping”
Gaza has all the earmarks of a Neocon ‘Regime Change’ Operation. If the Neocons are NOT involved, I’d be shocked.
After all, Russia is well-alone in the process of SPANKING the Neocons in Ukraine, with Avdiivka on the verge of being the next Ukrainian-occupied city to be liberated.
So, given the pattern of Neocon ‘projects’, they’ll ignore the carnage that they caused in Ukraine and move on to the next ‘project’, which certainly seems to be Gaza. Sorry, General Zelensky, YA TIME IS UP.
Of course you take the leftist view.
Netanyahu propped up Hamas for years. This is squarely on him. This is a pooch screw of epic proportions.
How do you figure? Russia was supposed to invade and finish their nation building within two weeks. It's been a year and eight months now, and George W. Putin hasn't been able to declare "Mission Accomplished" yet. Even all of his jihadist buddies haven't be able to help him beat a far weaker country.
How did he prop them up?
You might want to re-read my post #2, which SLAMS the Left.
“How do you figure? Russia was supposed to invade and finish their nation building within two weeks.”
I guess that I missed the Russian press release on that. Might you have a link?
They were going to cut a deal which spanked the Ukraine and kept it out of NATO for good.
Now, the focus is on eliminating the Azov heirs of the Galician Division. And it's going VERY well.
Can you tell me what you said when George W. Putin first invaded? Because most of the Neocons like you were saying it would be over quickly as Russia ran over their weaker opponents. I don't remember a single Russia Neocon saying it would take a long time. It was supposed to be like Germany slicing through the Netherlands.
Some Freepers were actually saying Russia would be occupying Germany and other parts of Europe by spring.
You are making yourself look foolish! I remember you posting that it would be over quickly it would be over. Please show me where you thought it would last two years? Russia can’t even conquer a much inferior nation. Even after going full jihadist.
link please.
Why don't you tell me what you though? You claim now that you thought Russia would take a couple years to defeat the meager Ukrainian defenses?
Now I'm Nostradamus?
People who have been here 26 years know how... 
I'll let you know how long it takes. :)
“You are making yourself look foolish! I remember you posting that it would be over quickly it would be over. Please show me where you thought it would last two years?”
I won’t deny that I posted it, but that doesn’t mean that the Russian Government did the same. After all, lots of us say things based on speculation (like the Ukrainian government DOES NOT have a Nazi problem), but it does not prove it will happen, or is not true.
As for my (likely) posting, I guess one can say that I was hopeful that the Ukraine War would quickly end, but I underestimated the degree of Russian Hatred by some here (likewise, the degree of support for the Ukrainian Nazis), so yes, it will take a bit longer. But don’t worry, with the West having a new ‘babe’, Ukraine will be FORCED to cut a deal with Russia, and it won’t bode well for Zelensky.
I’ve been here almost that long. Of course, I’m just an inferior U.S. citizen.
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