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To: MNDude

The Zelenskyy supporters here say it was 100% Putin, bent on a blitzkrieg Hitler style, to conqueror all of Europe.

Yet I’ve searched just a little and fighting has been going on since 2014, several thousand Russ living in Eastern Ukr were killed by Ukr shelling. They negotiated, Russ warned Ukr about joint NATO. A considerable population of Russ living in Eastern Ukr wanted reunification with Russ. THEN they invaded.

It’s not as clear cut as the pro Ukr here say. Too bad they didn’t settle on some sort of political re-alignment of the eastern slice of Ukr. Now Putin has it anyway and as the article said an entire gen of Ukr are ruined—if not more.


5 posted on 01/22/2024 6:03:09 AM PST by Phoenix8
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To: Phoenix8

Zelensky has done well with the war. He has some fat real estate around he can retire to.


14 posted on 01/22/2024 6:08:11 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: Phoenix8
Yet I’ve searched just a little and fighting has been going on since 2014, several thousand Russ living in Eastern Ukr were killed by Ukr shelling.

Correction: the fighting has been going on since 2014 when Russia invaded and occupied a part of Ukraine. As for those killed, they were on both sides as a result of the conflict started by the Russians. Also, civilian casualties were overwhelmingly in the first two years of the conflict and had decreased significantly in the years prior to Russia's 2012 invasion. There was no targeted shelling of ethnic Russians. Please stop with this Russian propagandistic nonsense.

28 posted on 01/22/2024 6:20:11 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Phoenix8
Yet I’ve searched just a little and fighting has been going on since 2014, several thousand Russ living in Eastern Ukr were killed by Ukr shelling.

LOL, this BS story has been pedaled by pro-russian propagandists forever, but is false.

14,000 is the number of the total number of casualties the war in Donbass, killed by both parties between 2014 and 2021. 10,900 of them were soldiers.

On January 27, 2022, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights released its most recent estimate of the victims of the Donbass conflict from 2014 to December 31, 2021

According to the U.N., 10,900 victims were soldiers, of which 4,400 were Ukrainians and 6,500 pro-Russian combatants of or on behalf of the separatist pseudo-republics. Civilian victims were between 3,400 and 3,500.

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

55 posted on 01/22/2024 7:05:49 AM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Phoenix8

The eastern Ukraine is not majority Russian or pro-Russian. Russian speakers are not ethnic Russians. Zelensky himself grew up a Russian speaker. My wife is from Alchevsk in the Lugansk Oblast and her family and friends there are patriotic Ukrainians. Of course, Moscow has a history of killing Ukrainians there both in Stalin’s time and in the present day. You seem to want to reward Russia’s long history of genocide by going along with their criminal land grab. Shame on you for buying-in to Moscow lies.


56 posted on 01/22/2024 7:08:17 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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To: Phoenix8
"Yet I’ve searched just a little and fighting has been going on since 2014, several thousand Russ living in Eastern Ukr were killed by Ukr shelling. "

No, I'm sorry but you didn't actually research anything, all you really did was guzzle down Russia propaganda KoolAid, directly from the information sewer pipes of the Kremlin's Ministry for Agitation and Propaganda.

Serious research would show you that it's 100% Vlad the Invader doing what Russia's rulers do -- aggress on their smaller neighbors.
Ukraine is only the biggest example, though far from the only one.

101 posted on 01/25/2024 9:33:58 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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