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I view hybrids as an improvement over ICE vehicles, if they engineer them such that you can pop out the batter pack and replace it by popping a new one in with relative ease.

That fits the needs of most people, who do daily commuting. But I don’t view full EV’s as better than ICE in any meaningful way. You need fuel to get anywhere that can defined as a road trip and EV’s will never meet that.


18 posted on 01/23/2024 6:41:31 PM PST by Jonty30 (In a nuclear holocaust, there is always a point in time where the meat is cooked to perfection. )
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I wouldn't take an EV on a road trip if I was by myself. But I haven't gone on a road trip by myself since we got it 19 months ago. My wife is always with me. And she always wants to stop every 200 miles and walk around for 10 or 15 minutes anyway. LOL Maybe if an EV battery could be swapped out quicker than 10 or 15 minutes that might be good for others, but I'd still be trying to talk my wife to get back in the car those extra minutes anyway. LOL

So my wife's 10-15 minute breaks every 200 or so miles is conducive to charging the EV on road trips. Of course, we don't live up north where it's cold (which makes charging take longer) and the road trips we take up there aren't in the winter.

Another thing is here in the southeast the few people who own EV's do most of their charging at home. That means when I travel around the southeast and stop and road-side chargers, there's never a line, there's always more chargers than EV's. Why? Because the few people at the road-side chargers are travelers like myself, not the locals. This is not the case in the densely populated urban areas (i.e. northeast) where many EV owners can't charge at home (they either live in apartments or they live in houses stacked so close to each other that they have to park in the street). They fill up the road-side charging stations to charge up for local driving (just like when you stop at a gas station most of the people there are gassing up for local driving, not road trips).

Because I do most of my charging at home, I probably spend less total time waiting at chargers through the year than I used to spend waiting at a gas station through a year when all of my driving was in an ICE car. A gas fillup might take only 5-7 minutes, but I had a lot more gas fillups than I now have charging stops because I had to fillup multiple times per week to handle the local driving. But again, that's probably the case if you do lots of local driving and can charge at home. If someone doesn't drive a lot or can't charge at home, an EV's not a good fit. Likewise if someone is single and doesn't need 2 cars -- I'm uncomfortable with the idea of being totally dependent on EV's -- everyone should have at least one ICE car. IMHO an EV at best is good for a couple that drives a lot, can do most charging at home, is in the market for a car anyway, doesn't live up north and have to put up with bitter cold, and the car you're in a market for is not a pickup (don't get me started on EV pickups having poor range when loaded down). That situation exactly describes the situation my wife and I were in 2 years ago when it was time to replace her ICE crossover. We got an EV crossover and it has greatly reduced our operational cost (even after adding in the extra monthly and annual costs an EV has).

But that's a free market perspective -- not how the Dims push EV's by forcing them. I can't stand the control-freak Dims.

Another thing I didn't think about until I got the EV, on road trips the first charge up takes no time because you charge at home before you head out the next morning. When we take the ICE car on a trip, I always had to decide if I wanted to take it to fill up the night before we left, or in the morning on the way out. With the EV that's not an issue at all because it charges up while we sleep and is full when we wake up in the morning before we head out on the trip. Of course, that's just one fill up it saves, so on our road trip to Canada and back that was immaterial. But if it's a weekend getaway trip, having that first fill-up automatically done at home is a convenience I didn't think about until I was experiencing it.

23 posted on 01/23/2024 7:07:27 PM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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