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Medical Research WITHOUT informed consent now allowed by FDA
Citizen Watch Report ^

Posted on 01/24/2024 6:30:37 AM PST by davikkm

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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Yet another very good reason to NEVER go to a doctor or hospital. Unless one has a very good honest and ethical doctor. And Rx? So many conditions that docs give Rx’s for can be treated or cured by herbs, diet and other measures.


21 posted on 01/24/2024 2:39:14 PM PST by little jeremiah (Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming)
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To: davikkm

WTF?!


22 posted on 01/24/2024 2:44:00 PM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Never be slave in ast new Socialist America.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt; Qiviut; SeekAndFind; null and void; metmom

In 2021 I had 2 J & J shots. My partner had received a total of 3 Moderna shots by the time we went for Dec. 2022 vaccines. He took another Covid, and I took flu.
A week later he brought home an illess from his sick grandson that kept us both sick and coughing hard for over 3 months. When I discovered that J&J also targets the spike protein of Covid as do the mRNA vaccines, I thought perhaps we both had experienced the IgG class switch of the IgG4 units. Since he had 4 covid shots and I only had 2, I was puzzled we were both equally ill and for as long. Now I am wondering if Kaiser Permanente gave me a third Covid without my permission?

I think we probably got RSV from his grandson, again this fall but were only sick for a month. I probably will not get the RSV vaccine. My partner recently had
another Covid for the latest variant. He is urging me to get it too, and I absolutely refuse. Now he has government supplied Covid test kits, and we tested before going to his family for Christmas Dinner. From now on if I test again I will put my own Q tip up my nose and then rub the mucus on the test swabs. Never again will I trust my government no matter which party is in charge.


23 posted on 01/24/2024 6:44:58 PM PST by gleeaikin ( Question authority.)
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To: gleeaikin

There is some kind of cold going around that lasts over a month.

I tested for Covid and it was negative. My son had the same cold and the dr tested him for Covid, RSV, and the flu and they all came back negative. IIRC he got tested for Covid a couple times, too. All negative.


24 posted on 01/24/2024 6:49:55 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: metmom; Tilted Irish Kilt

Whatever it was my partner caught from his grandson caused us to be ill Jan. to mid April 2023 and again that fall in all October. We both had a severe cough which had a lot of mucus coming out. I coughed so hard sometimes I was near vomiting. I may have damaged my right optic nerve from the severity of the coughing. I also considered I had bronchitis. Does this sound like your kind of cold?


25 posted on 01/24/2024 7:10:04 PM PST by gleeaikin ( Question authority.)
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To: gleeaikin

Exactly.

Tons of mucous, a short bout of laryngitis, and some mild bronchitis. Lots of coughing and going through several boxes of kleenex.

The congestion let up a lot after 4 weeks, but still comes back, usually about mid afternoon until evening.

Mr. mm and I both started it about halfway through Dec and it was over a month before it really started to let up.

No other typical cold symptoms though. No fever, chills, aches, pains, headache, sore throat, etc. Just a ridiculous level of mucous production and yes, a lot of coughing to try to clear it out.


26 posted on 01/24/2024 8:14:29 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: piytar

They need to be made to care…


27 posted on 01/24/2024 8:24:30 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: piytar

They need to be made to care…

Or regret!


28 posted on 01/24/2024 8:24:44 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: metmom; ConservativeMind; Tilted Irish Kilt; Qiviut

You don’t say whether you or your partner had received any Covid shots, and if so how many. My partner and I had been sick from early Jan. to mid Feb. Then he went and babysat his sick grandchild again. Added an increase in symptom severity and chills. I also had a fever of 101.5, usually normal for me is 97.6, and we continued sick until mid April when my cough went away, although my partner had occasional short bouts of coughing after that.

I am a great believer in Vitamin C and try to take it at least every 6 hours, although more often if sick or with nasal or respiratory symptoms. My throat felt a little odd, but no other symptoms except that small bout of chill and fever. In October, after a week or two being sick I finally called Kaiser Permanente and was given a prescription of a medicine which was supposed to reduce the urge to cough. It did help and probably shortened the period of time I was sick this time. Meanwhile, partner has promised no more baby sitting until Spring.


29 posted on 01/25/2024 1:46:49 AM PST by gleeaikin ( Question authority.)
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To: gleeaikin

No, neither mr. mm nor I took the vax. We never liked the hype and the rushed production. We were hearing warning from people who knew from the beginning and that left us with enough skepticism to decide against.


30 posted on 01/25/2024 3:29:20 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: gleeaikin

And yes, we did the natural supplement protocol. We do supplement with vitamins and minerals anyways.

Happens quercetin is also a mast cell stabilizer so I was on it for my first bout of Covid. Can’t say for sure that it helped.


31 posted on 01/25/2024 3:30:47 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: Triple
Since when does the FDA write law?

Isn't there a SCOTUS case being argued right now to shut down this nonsense by unelected bureaucrats?

https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/01/supreme-court-to-hear-major-case-on-power-of-federal-agencies/

32 posted on 01/25/2024 3:33:22 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Next week on The Bickersons... )
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To: Sirius Lee; metmom; gleeaikin; Pajamajan; Triple; little jeremiah; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; ...
Sirius Lee :" Since when does the FDA write law?" (Emphasis Mine)
"Isn't there a SCOTUS case being argued right now to shut down this nonsense by unelected bureaucrats?

https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/01/supreme-court-to-hear-major-case-on-power-of-federal-agencies/
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I appears that there is already a legal precedent
But since when does this administration follow the law ?
When you consider the creation of the mandatory covid "gain-of-function" vaccine fiasco, it appears that the FDA along with the NIH/CDCare writing law.
It is a conundrum that the FDA is inventing new diseases for which they find a cure and get paid for their new discoveries.
This very research is financed through Federal funding, using Federal scientists and resources,
for which the scientists receive "patent royalties" (kick backs) which enriches the very scientist inventors and BIG Pharma.
Ethics Be Damned !

Specificly : United States v Karl Brandt et al.

"The Nuremberg Military Tribunal's decision in the case of the United States v Karl Brandt et al. includes what is now called the Nuremberg Code,
a ten point statement delimiting permissible medical experimentation on human subjects."

“ According to this statement, humane experimentation is justified only if its results benefit society
and it is carried out in accord with basic principles that “satisfy moral, ethical, and legal concepts.”

Information Source: https://research.unc.edu/human-research-ethics/resources/ccm3_019064/

33 posted on 01/25/2024 9:30:43 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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bump


34 posted on 01/26/2024 11:32:10 AM PST by Bob434
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