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10/26/03 | Joe Brandt

Posted on 10/26/2003 3:54:06 PM PST by mirkwood

I wondered if anyone else has this "problem". I have had panic attacks for 14 years now, and it has not let up. Before you say to use Paxil or Zoloft let me assure you that I have been there..done that.


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1 posted on 10/26/2003 3:54:06 PM PST by mirkwood
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To: mirkwood
I've had them. I tried meds and meds stink. I just got lots of talk therapy, learned to meditate, and eventually they disappeared.
2 posted on 10/26/2003 3:56:37 PM PST by cyborg (Kyk nou, die ding wat jy soek issie hierie sienj)
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To: mirkwood
Nope. Never have.
3 posted on 10/26/2003 3:58:39 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: mirkwood
I'm coming out of the closet on this one.

I've had anxiety/panic attacks for several years.

I'm sure you know that the condition can be a living hell.

When I exercise on a regular basis, the anxiety seems to go away.

4 posted on 10/26/2003 4:00:37 PM PST by Momaw Nadon (The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open.)
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To: mirkwood
I'd love to compare notes. Please use private mail, speech is more free.
5 posted on 10/26/2003 4:02:07 PM PST by Petronski (Living life in a minor key.)
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To: mirkwood
Why not go to a therapist who treats anxiety, and find out what the cause is? You could probably find one with a sliding-scale fee. 14 years is a long time -- why have you waited so long?
6 posted on 10/26/2003 4:02:45 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: Momaw Nadon
I, too,have had them for years. I get them worse now then I ever have. I am now on medication, but, it doesn't seem to be working.. Yet, anyway.
7 posted on 10/26/2003 4:04:03 PM PST by Lovergirl (Prayers for Terri. Hang in there Terri. We are gonna get u out of this mess. www.terrisfight.org)
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To: mirkwood
I feel your pain...I fought with anxiety attacks for years, and after marrying/divorcing OJ Simpson's evil white twin, I now have PTSD on top of it. I wish I had an answer for you, but I don't. I just take one day at a time and ask the Lord to carry me through.


8 posted on 10/26/2003 4:04:14 PM PST by Sunshine55 (Go Terri! Thank you Jeb, the world is a better place because of you!)
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To: mirkwood
Exercise everyday-no exceptions. I suggest running. Don't drink alcohol or caffeine. Take st. johns wort and fo-ti. Try to figure out why, 14 years ago this started. Don't dismiss any possibilities. Put life in perspective. Keep a diary to document when these attacks occur. Best of luck.
9 posted on 10/26/2003 4:07:04 PM PST by AUH2OY2K
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To: mirkwood
I have a best friend who had anxiety attacks in the past. She told me that she received more help from a "support group" than she did anything else. Validating and talking with others and trying techniques which worked for them.

Good luck to you!

10 posted on 10/26/2003 4:07:40 PM PST by i_dont_chat
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To: mirkwood
I had panic attacks for about three years, just about every day. This started out of the clear blue but as I became more educated on the subject, I realize that as a younger person, I probably had them but they manifested in a different way. The best book I have ever read on the subject is called "Hope and Help for Your Nerves." Dr. Weeks. She has an amazing approach to the issue and it has helped me over the years. This has been over 13 years ago and the book taught me to quit fighting them and let then happen, in so doing, they lessened and even though I can feel them coming on even now, because I have accepted them as a part of my life they are not nearly as severe and last only moments. Good luck!
11 posted on 10/26/2003 4:09:25 PM PST by Toespi
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To: mirkwood
I've had panic attacks when I was younger. I found that regular exercise (even walking for at least an hour a day) and avoiding refined foods (refined sugars, refined carbs, high-fat stuff, junk food) really helped bring it down to a dull roar.

It's been around 10 years now and I can't remember the last time I had a panic attack. And I've got a fairly high-demand job.
12 posted on 10/26/2003 4:18:00 PM PST by Prime Choice (---] Stay the course -- Bush 2004 [---)
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To: mirkwood
I have had this, and to the point where it brought out epilepsy it got so bad.

Only thing that's actually helped has been lexapro+trazodone.

Sorry, that's all I can really offer.
13 posted on 10/26/2003 4:19:49 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Monty22
My doctor put me on lexapro and ativan.
14 posted on 10/26/2003 4:21:50 PM PST by Lovergirl (Prayers for Terri. Hang in there Terri. We are gonna get u out of this mess. www.terrisfight.org)
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To: mirkwood
you could check with a good teaching hospital (not just any old hospital, but one that has a good psychiatry residency program) that is either part of or affiliated with a medical school and see if they have an anxiety disorders program. many big cities have these hospitals with these programs.
doctors (psychiatrists and psychologists) at teaching hospitals are likely to be up on the current approaches to treatment.
if you supplement treatment with the approaches suggested above by people on this thread, you will have a good chance of reducing or even eliminating the anxiety attacks. Exercise, diet (espec elimination of caffein and alcohol), meditation, group support can all be used in combination.
15 posted on 10/26/2003 4:27:09 PM PST by drhogan
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To: Lovergirl
lexapro plus ativan sounds like an effective combination. did it reduce the frequency and intensity of the panic attacks for you?
16 posted on 10/26/2003 4:28:58 PM PST by drhogan
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To: Lovergirl
ativan was too weak for me, and benzos are addictive and have an unbelievably bad tolerance. They just stop working completely after a few months.
17 posted on 10/26/2003 4:29:15 PM PST by Monty22
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To: mirkwood
ping to think about
18 posted on 10/26/2003 4:30:23 PM PST by altura
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To: mirkwood
I have had quite a bit of anxiety for about 5 years now. I know it's coming from conflict I have with my conscience and me resenting the truth about my failures..ie..unforgivness. The fhu.com has a good Christian meditation that I know has helped many people with really bad anxiety. I do it everyday and it has helped, although my sincerity is lacking or I would be over it by now.
19 posted on 10/26/2003 4:32:55 PM PST by fabian
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To: drhogan
Only been on them for 2 weeks but I am feeling somewhat better. I am still having panic attacks, but I am hoping they will go away soon.
20 posted on 10/26/2003 4:35:59 PM PST by Lovergirl (Prayers for Terri. Hang in there Terri. We are gonna get u out of this mess. www.terrisfight.org)
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To: mirkwood
I had them for a number of years, and am panic attack free. Doing (and greatly enjoying) all the things I lived in fear of doing. Email me privately if you wish to converse.
21 posted on 10/26/2003 4:37:16 PM PST by feedback doctor
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To: mirkwood
I've never had one.

I find that adopting an attitude that I'm better than everyone else keeps this sort of condition under wraps.    =;^)

22 posted on 10/26/2003 4:40:12 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Politics is the art of choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable.)
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To: mirkwood
ping
23 posted on 10/26/2003 4:54:54 PM PST by since1868
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To: mirkwood
This lady ^ claims to have it all figured out. I have no horse in this race, just passing this along.
24 posted on 10/26/2003 4:56:17 PM PST by upchuck (Encourage HAMAS to pre-test their explosive devices. A dud always spoils everything.)
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To: mirkwood
There are some situations that cause me to have what is essentially a panic attack. I've never had myself diagnosed because I'm skeptical of the whole stress/anxiety/psychology profession. It's not a normal thing, so I haven't needed to make big changes. I wish you well.

WFTR
Bill

25 posted on 10/26/2003 5:01:47 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: mirkwood
I suffer them too/ Mostly happens at work when I get overloaded it is very embarrassing. It was much worse when I worked at a restaurant. A few times if someone would give me a valium they worked like a charm. But they would make me a little too layed back. So I am still looking for something else to ease the pain.
26 posted on 10/26/2003 5:17:59 PM PST by since1868
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To: Lovergirl
i'm glad you're starting to feel better, and i hope the attacks stop soon. usually ativan plus one of the ssri's (such as lexapro) will stop the attacks, so i think it should work.
someone earlier on this thread suggested one of Claire Weekes's books. if you can find one (or order one on the net) it might give you some comfort.
27 posted on 10/26/2003 5:52:58 PM PST by drhogan
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To: Toespi
because I have accepted them as a part of my life they are not nearly as severe and last only moments.

When one learns to not fear anxiety attacks, they abate.

The attacks are a false alarm (adrenalin reaction, etc.) to "normal" internal fluctuations (e.g. a physiological, "bump in the night"). The reaction can include a racing, pounding heart and an acute sense of impending death...among other thing. The panic attacks are not dangerous and they will not cause you to lose control in public (two of the fears of those who have such attacks.) They are essentially harmless false alarms.

When one learns to not fear anxiety attacks, they abate.

28 posted on 10/27/2003 7:08:50 AM PST by Rudder
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To: mirkwood
See post 28.
29 posted on 10/27/2003 7:12:53 AM PST by Rudder
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To: drhogan
As a doctor who has successfully treated anxiety attacks for many, many years,I would like to caution against reliance upon anti-anxiety meds. Although in the short run they provide the anxious patient with immediate, partial relief, they are highly prone to the development of dependency. Ask a patient if they're addicted to their Ativan: "No, not at all...I just take them now and then."

"Good, can I have your Ativan?"

"Well...no!"

The essential cure is to be found in (1.) education (about human physiology and the flight or fight syndrome ala Hans Selye and Walter Canon)and (2.) individual psychotherapy to assist with learning how to apply this knowledge to everyday life. The goal is for insight that these attacks are not harmful and therefore there is no reason to fear them. Relaxation training and hypnosis is useful, but only later on in therapy because such patients at first will not allow themselves to relax to the point where they fear loss of control.

Anxiolytics in the long run will typically create a dependency that impedes an essential cure.

30 posted on 10/27/2003 7:34:10 AM PST by Rudder
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To: mirkwood
I had sporadic anxiety for a few years but they came on really strong early this year (intense anxiety in restaurants, meetings etc.). 2002 was a bad year with deaths in the family and my anxiety was hastened by depression. Talk to the doctor. I was prescribed a very low dosage of Effexor XR which has helped greatly.
31 posted on 10/27/2003 9:20:39 AM PST by Moleman
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To: Rudder
i think that prescribing ativan alone would probably be a mistake, because of the dependency issue. ativan should really only be used during the period when the ssri is building up in the bloodstream (later on, the ativan should be used by the patient only occasionally, when he or she feels particularly anxious).
once the ssri stops the panic attacks, the patient should not have to use the ativan very often.
i should make it clear--i am not an MD, i'm a psychologist, so i can't prescribe medicine and i am not an expert on psychopharmacology.
i usually use congitive-behavioral techniques to help people reduce panic attacks.
but if an ssri will stop the panic attacks, why not use one?
32 posted on 10/27/2003 6:36:49 PM PST by drhogan
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To: drhogan
The question to me is will the ssri will stop the panic attacks?

In my clinical experience, patients on ssri seem to run a somewhat higher risk for the development of panic attacks. The literature seems to have three kinds of patients' experience in the forefront: those on ssri who experience more panic attacks, those who experience less and those who report no effect. I would not recommend ssri for panic disorder, but stand by them for depression, based upon my own experience.

33 posted on 10/27/2003 7:20:40 PM PST by Rudder
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To: LurkedLongEnough
ping
34 posted on 01/16/2004 11:58:50 AM PST by leadpencil1
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