‘I’m not Arab, I’m Phoenician’­ a common phrase, but flawed concept

dailystar.com.lb ^ | 09/02/04 | Peter Speetjens

[Destro]

Secondly, the word Phoenician is Greek.

Lots of words like Egypt and Pyramids are not native to that culture but the Greek name or nickname for them. For example pyramid was the name of a Greek sweet cake of the same shape. The ancient Egyptians never called those constructions pyramids.

[Destro]

bump

[blam]

I've read that the 'red' mentioned related to the color of their hair.

Also, just read this, the incident of red hair in Libya is the same as it is in Ireland. Hmmmm

[blam]

BTW, I think the dye they were famous for was purple...wasn't it. Made from some lengthy process from a particular sea shell creature.

[Destro]

The color purple was a redish purple not the Prince rock star purple. Nothing to do with Celts or red hair.

[Destro]

The color of Phoenician royal purple looks like the purple in this mosaic of the Emperor Justinian from San Vitale in Ravenna.

[John Locke]

The ancient Egyptians never called those constructions pyramids.

The Egyptian word for pyramid was pimar, from which the Greek is most probably derived.

[blam]

"The color purple was a redish purple not the Prince rock star purple. Nothing to do with Celts or red hair."

Okay. Didn't know that about the color purple.

[Destro]

You are mistaken.

What does the word 'pyramid' mean?

The word 'pyramid' actually comes from the Greek word 'pyramis' which means 'wheat cake'. The word 'pyramis' was used to describe the ancient Egyptian buildings because they reminded the Greeks of pointy-topped wheat cakes.

The ancient Egyptian word for the pyramids was 'Mer'.

[blam]

"The word 'pyramid' actually comes from the Greek word 'pyramis' which means 'wheat cake'. The word 'pyramis' was used to describe the ancient Egyptian buildings because they reminded the Greeks of pointy-topped wheat cakes. "

Maybe the wheat-cake was styled after the pyramid. Didn't the pyramids come first?

[Destro]

The shape is a coincidence only. It would be as of we came upon Stonehedge and dubbed them "Twinkies".

[blam]

"The shape is a coincidence only. It would be as of we came upon Stonehedge and dubbed them "Twinkies"."

It would be as if we had named Twinkies, 'Stonehenges.' Stonehenges came first.

I feel like we've been talking on this thread for days...and yet, it has only 11 posts, lol.

[Destro]

No it would not-my point explains why the Greeks gave the world the name pyramid to those sttructures. That the pyramids were around before the Greeks named them is besides the point, My twinkie example stands.

[gcruse]

‘I’m not Arab, I’m Phoenician’

I'm not Arab,
I'm Phoenician,
Arab left you, long ago.

I'm not Arab,
I'm a Persian,
That's Iranian, don't you know?

[rmlew]

The word "Phoenician" is a Hellenization of the tribal name. Canaanite/Northwester Semitic languages did not use vowels, only consonents. The Phoenecians were reffered to with the Phoenecian/Ancient Hebrew letter "Pay, Nun, Kapf". In english these would be "PNC"
The Israelites, Greeks, and Romans all reffer to them with words using these consonents.
The Syriac and Chaldean Christians of Lebanaon are of Phoenecian descent. http://phoenicia.org/index.shtml
They are not Arabs. The author is a Pan-Arab propogandist.

[Destro]

I get your point but the author did not say Phoenecians are Arabs only that the modern Lebonese people are Arabs more so then they are Phoenecians. No?

[rmlew]

They are not ethnically Arab and have seperate religious and linguistic histories. They have a seperate culture. They are not Arabs. Arabs are their oppressors.

[SunkenCiv]

The October National Geographic has a good-sized article about trying to trace the genes of the ancient Phoenicians.

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[SunkenCiv]

Here's a newer one, just started.

Phoenicians: Ancient Mariners
National Geographic ^ | October 2004 | Rick Gore
Posted on 10/12/2004 10:45:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1243460/posts

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Interesting.