[Sam Cree]

"As for the marriage amendment I haven't even heard it mentioned among my co-workers, they probably don't have a clue"

There was some discussion about it last night at my fishing club. I'd say there was a slight majority against it, mostly on the grounds that it's up to the states.

I personally tend to agree with that. I'm not ready to admit to myself that our nation is so changed from our founders' vision that we conservatives should abandon that vision too, and fight issues on an arbitrary basis instead of within what was supposed to have been the original framework, separation of powers, etc.

Probably I am delusional, though.

[risk]

I think you're making some good points. On the other hand, I'm getting tired of being painted as a bigot for wanting to stop national-level same sex marriages. Can you imaging people immigrating on the basis of such relationships? I really didn't trouble myself over this matter until I thought about that. Then I thought about the divorce proceedings. Can you imagine how officer O'Leary is going to feel as the Balif? Can you imagine serving on a jury involving a child custody dispute -- from a test tube baby -- arising from a divorce proceding? These things make us want to get up and start passing out the petitions.

[snippy_about_it]

I'd say there was a slight majority against it, mostly on the grounds that it's up to the states.

That would work if we would return to states rights but having it already disintigrated, what do you do?

Part of the dilema here as I see it is that there are too many laws that prohibit "states rights". If an amendment were adopted you'd have your lawsuits to the Federal courts, regardless.

Laws, it's all about lawyers and money and we've gone so far away from the Constituion I'm not sure if anything would work, an amendment or just state laws.

It's sad to think there is no turning back, we've grown too much and too many people have come to live here that don't "hold our truths to be self-evident", that there is probably no turning back as much as we'd like to think there is.

Geez, that's sounds depressing. I think I'll stop.