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Remember Gargoyles; A Very Good Cartoon Series (Vanity)

Posted on 03/29/2004 2:08:23 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup

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I know a lot of you here hate Disney as it is now for very good reason, but please do not boycott this show because of that for three reasons.

1. The show is VERY conservative. It very pro-life through-out it's two season. It is pro-gun, plenty of the characters (not just the cops) use guns to defend themselves (S1 Ep 07: Deadly Force, was more about 'why you should NOT treat a gun like a toy' and it was a very daring episode). That the rich white male character (David Xanatos) is NOT portrayed as a heartless, evil, 2D villian, but instead a honorable man, who has done questionable things, with a different agenda than the gargoyles. Also, Zanatos is probably the character who experiences the most character development of the entire cast.

2. Gargoyles is good example of every that was good about Disney and everything it could be. This show is the only time Disney gear a cartoon series toward teens and adults (and for the most part NOT kids). It was an action/drama with very little comedy in it. Also, Eisner is the one who killed this show. So giving this show a chance (and buying the DVDs to it, when they are released) is a good way to show how Eisner and his minions were wrong.

1. Anything with Biblical injokes, like 'David' Xanatos versus 'Goliath' and characters taken from Shakespeare, should alone be enough reason to give this show a chance.

1 posted on 03/29/2004 2:08:24 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Texaggie79; section9
Being anime and classic cartoon fans, I think this may interest you.
2 posted on 03/29/2004 2:41:09 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup; Sir Gawain
I watched it some when i was in high school. Don't recall it being "conservative" but it was ok.
3 posted on 03/29/2004 2:44:59 PM PST by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: Texaggie79
I watched it some when i was in high school. Don't recall it being "conservative" but it was ok.

Well for example, the pro-life/pro-marriage angle in the second season, David and Fox fall in love, get married and have a son. These events turn David in a much better person.

Then there is the whole 'protecting the gargoyles eggs' in 994 AD plotline.

4 posted on 03/29/2004 3:08:24 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Trigun is #1 and the ultimate conservative message: Peace through superior firepower.
5 posted on 03/29/2004 3:46:58 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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Trigun is #1 and the ultimate conservative message: Peace through superior firepower.

Considering I have seen the Trigun series, all I got to say is BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

I could tear your above statement apart in half a dozen ways. But I will instead be polite and just say that Vash refuses to kill and only uses his guns when he has too.

By the way, I like Trigun, but it does not hold a candle to Cowboy Bebop.

6 posted on 03/29/2004 4:24:40 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
agreed, but two questions, why isnt this southpark pinged? and

both of those were good, but i am willing to bet you havent seen the movie fo CB. very odd titles, but tre cool.
7 posted on 03/30/2004 4:27:35 AM PST by MacDorcha
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To: Paul C. Jesup
one of my favourite quotes from the series (and one of my all times as well) is

"you dont have any names? what do you call each other?"

"friend"
8 posted on 03/30/2004 4:29:11 AM PST by MacDorcha
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To: Paul C. Jesup
It was produced in 1994, in the same vain as Fox's Batman The Animated Series, with that dark gothic style, BUT BETTER!!

Hey, I watched it back then, and I liked it, but it wasn't better than Batman (or Justice League now for that matter).

9 posted on 03/30/2004 4:41:49 AM PST by Hawkeye's Girl
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To: Sir Gawain
Ya, Cowboy Bebop r0xorz. At least, I heard it does.
10 posted on 03/30/2004 10:26:37 AM PST by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: MacDorcha
both of those were good, but i am willing to bet you havent seen the movie fo CB. very odd titles, but tre cool.

I have both the Cowboy Bebop series on DVD and I also, have the Cowboy Bebop Movie DVD.

Spike could out fight Bruce Lee in pure hand to hand combat and (with the Swordfish II) fly circles around Luke Skywalker in hist is X-Wing. :D

11 posted on 03/30/2004 10:30:16 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
Hey, I watched it back then, and I liked it, but it wasn't better than Batman (or Justice League now for that matter).

JLA Season 2 Rocked. Both we both agree they are good series.

12 posted on 03/30/2004 10:32:08 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
I love Cowboy Bebop too. I have the limited-edition boxed set of the series, and the DVD of the movie. My favorite scene is in Jupiter Jazz part I, where Spike single-handedly kicks the collective asses of a gang of street thugs. Simple lesson: don't piss Spike off!


13 posted on 03/30/2004 10:35:15 AM PST by Pyro7480 (Minister for the Conversion of Hardened Sinners,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: MacDorcha
Good quote: One of my favoite quotes from Gargoyles is:

*fight going on outside*

*while in the threater*

"I don't remember any explosions in Bambi."

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-2079/epid-48314/
14 posted on 03/30/2004 10:35:45 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Pyro7480
Amen to that.
15 posted on 03/30/2004 10:36:37 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Have you watched the Kenshin and Samurai X series?
16 posted on 03/30/2004 11:48:10 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Yes, your point.
17 posted on 03/30/2004 12:02:13 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Just curious. BTW, you're wrong about Trigun.
18 posted on 03/30/2004 12:16:32 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Just curious. BTW, you're wrong about Trigun.

No, I am right, Vash refused to kill Knifes at the end. That psycho needed to be killed.

19 posted on 03/30/2004 1:04:49 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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He killed Legato. Killing Knives wasn't necessary as he won the battle anyway.
20 posted on 03/30/2004 1:33:11 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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