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Overall, not bad for the Comical (no mentions of "RACISM", "OPPRESSED MINORITIES", "CHOICE" OR "GAIETY"!), but I do have a few arguments with some assertions. Check this link for a more scientific study of what was the first rock'n'roll record. (It's arguable, of course, but Bill Haley?!)
1 posted on 04/12/2004 9:17:09 AM PDT by Revolting cat!
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To: Revolting cat!
Rocket 88 was the first true rock and roll song, although there was still considerable doubt as to what rock and roll actually was.
2 posted on 04/12/2004 9:24:32 AM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: Revolting cat!
For more than a year, Haley would reign as the first king of rock 'n' roll.

Actually I thought that the song didn't really take off until a year after it was released when it was used as the theme song to Blackboard Jungle. I don't think he "reigned" for all that time.

And don't be so quick to report that the SFgate/Comical didn't alledge just a lil' bit of racism:

When he is remembered, Haley is often portrayed as a marginal, transitional artist who sanitized ribald rhythm-and-blues lyrics and spoon-fed young whites watered- down versions of the real thing.

"Real" thing meaning "black"?

And while he may have had more chart success with "Rock Around The Clock", Bill Haley said that the first motion his country band made in this direction was playing the rhythm and blues tune "Rock This Joint" as a joke at the Twin Bar in New Jersey in 1950. He said that it just wasn't done to play rhythm and blues when you were a country act.

The article mentions his 1951 recording of Rocket 88 but history is not made with records; it is made with innovation and action. Live performance counts too. This is why I disagree with the "Rock and Roll" Hall Of Fame codifying all admissions based on 25 years after major label debut.

Here's one reason why (as excerpted from the above article):

Haley tried on several occasions to record the number, but Essex Records' Miller hated Myers and refused to allow Haley to cut the song.

...Louis Jordan, one of the few black recording artists of the era who sold records to the mainstream audience. Jordan's tightly focused small combo would provide the template for Haley's new rock 'n' roll records (Haley was still country and western enough to carry a steel guitarist with the band).

Well sometimes it is hard to justify a saxaphone in a band as being "rock and roll". There are a number of rocking hot rod songs that use a steel guitar. And Louis Jordan against wasn't the only black recording artist of the era who sold to the "mainstream" (white) audience. Lionel Hampton was there as well (and his "Hey Bop A Re Bop" was even cited by Lester Bangs as being "rock and roll").

His reign was short. By 1960, Haley had slipped off the charts entirely.
So had most of the rock and rollers. Industry types, corporate heads, performers like Frank Sinatra, and others conspired to shove rock and roll out the door. A number of celebrities died in car and plane crashes, Elvis was drafted, Little Richard left for religion, Jerry Lee Lewis came home in shame, and payola charges were making stations leery of playing BMI songs (you see, ASCAP wouldn't publish rock and roll recordings and ASCAP alledged they were no longer getting chart play because of payola).

Music got castrated (at least for airplay). Johnny Burnette who had been a wild man rockabilly singer was singing the same type of poster boy pinup pablum that Frankie Avalon and others sang.

Rock and roll was shown the door. It wasn't welcome in the 1970s when it came back as "punk" (Ramones style bare bones) in the age of prog rock, concept albums, and sensitive singer songwriters. "Grow up" was again the industry retort. (We'll ignore 1964-1967 for now when rock was briefly allowed to rise again).

If nothing else, this article got me to pull out my copy of the album The Bill Haley Scrapbook which records a scorching live set from Bill Haley and the Comets circa 1969 in New York.

6 posted on 04/12/2004 1:40:28 PM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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To: Revolting cat!
I'll voice in on some of these choices (from your link). For starters we can ELIMINATE everything from 1954 on. Rock and roll already existed by then (we can dispute what song is more rocking than another but it definitely existed by then). Elvis did not "create" rock and roll (although it could be said that Sam Phillips did have a hand in creating the "sound" (his first Sun hit was a rip off of Leiber and Stoller's "Hound Dog" called "Bear Cat" recorded by Rufus Thomas).

What Elvis did do was put a face/persona to a sound that broke it wide. The Beatles and Nirvana also did this (even though they didn't invent their sounds either).

8 Wynonie Harris: Good Rockin' Tonight (1948)

Actually I think Roy Brown's version from 1948 is more rocking (and his "Butcher Pete" even more so).

24 Jackie Brenston with His Delta Cats: Rocket 88 (1951)

Roadhouse music and an early hit from Ike Turner. The band could play for 8 hours non-stop (different band members would take or leave the stage as needed). Ike learned to play guitar and piano both while sitting at a piano.

25 Dominoes: Sixty Minute Man (1951)

Yeah, this certainly has many of the elements (although the tempo is still just a touch slow). The risque nature of the song adds to it's nomination I'm sure.

Part of my criteria for the "first" rock and roll record is that over the top wild recording. Both swing and jump blues had songs that were really amped up with energy but something just didn't quick click (too polite in some way).

Some of the nominations on that list and many more that are missing are the addition of recording techniques and distortion. Rather than try to say they "aren't" significant, I would rather note those songs separately than trying to make the case they they are/aren't the "first" rock and roll song.

I don't like modern historians' sense of "all or nothing" hyperbole. It's why I do not watch supposedly educational programs on cable (when I am at a friend's or hotel that has cable). Every one I've seen tries to make the case "If it wasn't for (say, Thomas Edison) we'd all still be (...in the dark)." Almost always they ignore the works others build off of or contemporary competitors.

I saw a bit that told us time and time again (with recreated historical footage) how Galileo discovered that the Earth revolved around the Sun and how he really stuck it to the Church/the Man. No mention was made that Galileo read the text of his predecessor, Copernicus. Copernicus was dead before Galileo was born. To over dramatize the contributions of one and totally ignore the work of another puts the whole lesson into question.

7 posted on 04/12/2004 2:00:03 PM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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To: bc2
Rock and Roll PING
8 posted on 04/12/2004 2:02:09 PM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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To: Revolting cat!
Phil Haley BUMP! Your Comments?


10 posted on 04/12/2004 3:08:53 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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