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Discovered - Possible new proof of Fraud

Posted on 09/11/2004 9:05:45 PM PDT by jongaltsr

Having compared the CBS documents I observed occlusions, which peaked my curiosity, and two signatures, which are not from the same person.

24 June 1973 04 May 1972 18 August 1973


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I noted that there were "interference" marks on the documents that I down loaded from various services. There were notable redundancies, which I don't think are possible in the event of multiple copies. First of all I would like to note that I have NEVER seen dots on bad copies like this before. First - there are usually smudges, hair, fibers and spots of various sizes and shapes. NOT spots that remain more or less the same size and virtually 99% spots and not other anomalies usually found from copiers.

These redundant marks (spots) show up in the following papers dated - 24 June 1973 04 May 1972 18 August 1973

I will deal with the 24 June 1973 document first. Above and just to the left are a series of 4 slanting dots. Above and to the right (1 inch up and 1 inch from the side of the document you will find another four dots in the same slant. These are slightly wider apart. Below the Signature (about 3 inches are another 4 dots with the same slant and much closer together than the prior dots). Just to the left and in the center of the page you will find 4 more dots even closer together and on the same angle. (This last one is center and just about 1/2 inch higher than the one on the right.

Now about another note. In my opinion the signature on this one is NOT done by the same person. Reason one is that the loop on the J is not the same as the others. This one is more circular where the others are more pointed. A point a professional will notice right away.

Another point is that the K has no loop on the end of the right part of the K. People are more or less consistent in their loops and this one has NONE. Next - The "ell" portions are totally different. Next - the "i" is straight whereas the other signatures show a slightly curved "i". Next - and MOST importantly - the "n" on this page just stops. The other signatures show an extended "n" finishing with a slight upward curve. This is also significant to a person trained in handwriting analysis, as are the other points. This one is about as critical to analysis as is the "J" loop (both top and bottom loops).

Those dots on the 24 June 1973 document also show up in approximately the same points on the 04 May 1973 document.

But what is especially notable here is that just to left of center are a series of vertical dots, which also show up on the 18 August 1973 document.

I would note especially that these characteristic dots show up on documents almost a year apart. Possibly they could be reproduced by papers copied on different copiers at irregular times but that does not make sense that two might have similar marks but when the third is considered (24 June 1973) - Just how could it have a COMBINATION of both characteristics? I am seriously skeptical to say the least.

To me the dots by themselves indicate an attempt to make a document look old but I can't prove that fact. What I can say with definite assurance is the Signatures of the 24 June 1973 and the 04 May 1972 (and others) are definitely not done by the same hand.

1 posted on 09/11/2004 9:05:45 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: jongaltsr

Quick note
Above what?
Above the date.

sorry about that minor oversight.


2 posted on 09/11/2004 9:08:06 PM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gultch.)
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Another point is that the K has no loop on the end of the right part of the K.

I have examined several real signatures of Killian in the public domain as posted on Shape of Days. Not a single one had the middle loop to the left of the K. More, on every single K in his real signatures, the upper leg curls down slightly, but in two of the three fakes, it curls up and in sharply.

3 posted on 09/11/2004 9:10:52 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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We don't know where they were stored and it might be mildew. I know I got dots on my copies when the glass plate is dirty. They may be on an old copy machine where the plate hasn't been cleaned in quite a while....Like in an old storage room with lots of dust and dirt. Once the stuff starts clinging to the glass, it stays there.

I had to do a dot match to prove something once. One thing I had to do was put the original the right way, i.e., the pattern that occurred at the top was at the bottom in another document.

4 posted on 09/11/2004 9:32:45 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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