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PCWorld.com via Yahoo! news ^ | Thu Dec 16, 3:00 AM ET | Michael Desmond

Posted on 12/20/2004 10:09:29 PM PST by Redcloak

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To: Redcloak
2004  	        IE 6  	IE 5  	O 7  	Moz  	NN 3  	NN 4  	NN 7
December 	67.0% 	4.7% 	2.1% 	21.2% 	0.2% 	0.2% 	1.2%
November 	68.5% 	5.0% 	2.2% 	19.3% 	0.2% 	0.2% 	1.2%
October 	69.5% 	5.7% 	2.2% 	17.5% 	0.2% 	0.2% 	1.3%
September 	69.6% 	6.2% 	2.3% 	16.9% 	0.2% 	0.2% 	1.3%
August 	        70.3% 	7.0% 	2.3% 	15.5% 	0.3% 	0.3% 	1.4%
July 	        71.0% 	7.7% 	2.3% 	13.8% 	0.3% 	0.3% 	1.4%
June 	        72.4% 	8.3% 	2.3% 	11.8% 	0.3% 	0.3% 	1.4%
May 	        72.6% 	9.2% 	2.2% 	11.0% 	0.3% 	0.3% 	1.4%
April 	        72.4% 	10.1% 	2.1% 	10.3% 	0.3% 	0.3% 	1.4%
March 	        72.1% 	10.7% 	2.1% 	9.6% 	0.4% 	0.4% 	1.4%
February 	71.5% 	11.5% 	2.2% 	9.0% 	0.4% 	0.4% 	1.5%
January 	71.3% 	12.8% 	2.1% 	8.2% 	0.4% 	0.5% 	1.5%

21 posted on 12/20/2004 11:36:22 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: dr_lew

I have found that Bargain Buddy requires the 1-2-3 punch of "Spybot Search and Destroy," "Ad-Aware" and "AVG Antivirus."

But it can be removed permanently.

The problem you're having is that Bargain Buddy hides a copy of itself in the "prefetch" directory and repropogates/reinstalls after removal.


22 posted on 12/20/2004 11:44:08 PM PST by Petronski (A suitable case for treatment.)
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To: Redcloak

bump


23 posted on 12/20/2004 11:48:58 PM PST by kimosabe31
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To: Redcloak
Opera: Best for power users who keep many pages open at once and perform frequent downloads. There's an e-mail program included, but banner ads on the free version of the browser are annoying.

Opera's tabbed pages can also be dragged off the window onto the desktop, and the 'session' feature allows a preset collection of multi-tabbed, multiple windows to be started with one click.

If for instance you have a dozen web pages to browse for stock market data, another 8 for economic/business news and 10 more for forex and commodity data, they can all be started with one click grouped as three windows (for example) and will load pre-arranged on your screen(s) completed with forward and back button pre-loaded as however they were last used.

Very efficient memory and CPU use.

Combined with zonealarm's ad blocker, it's great.

I'd like to see Opera add a feature that enables java script or java by website, like it does now for cookies.

24 posted on 12/20/2004 11:53:35 PM PST by Starwind (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
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To: Redcloak
Just loaded and am using FireFox now. Seems a little slower than IE.

I'll give it some more time.

My ieSpell doesn't work though. :(

25 posted on 12/21/2004 12:06:54 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Redcloak; All
Here is what I've gathered so far:

 The Fox Is in Microsoft's Henhouse (and Salivating)
 
  New IE hole could helpperfect phishing scams [GET FIREFOX] -- I just yesterday installed Firefox and WOW!!!! I will never go back to IE. IE had gotten so slow and I assumed it was just my computer/Internet provider. I installed Firefox and it's like turning pages in a book. Not only that, I have yet to do the pipelining tricks to speed it up...
 How To Speed Up Firefox (Helpful Vanity)
 
  Anti Spywear
 
 Microsoft Moves On Spyware To Stymie Firefox
 
 Microsoft may charge extra for security software
 
 
Firefox is hot; Thunderbird's not — for good reason -- Since Version 1.0 of Firefox went public about a month ago, about 10 million Internet Explorer users have seen the white-hot light and switched...
 
 
 Massive IE phishing exploit discovered 
Now that you have changed to Firefox, go to this thread to help you out.... if you are on a Broadband Internet connection.
How To Speed Up Firefox (Helpful Vanity)
 
 Safe Personal Computing
 
 Spyware Is the Scourge of Microsoft Windows Users
 
 New search engines let you find Web videos
 
 Five important fixes in MS December patch batch
 
 
Zafi Worm Hides Behind Christmas Cheer (Don't Click!)
 
 Top 10 "Most Unwanted" Spyware Named -- Router with firewall is a must these-days (extra firewall layer, and use multiple comps...)
Free Help here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1301552/posts?page=99#99
 Currently I'm running pretty safely  with Adaware, Spybot, Firefox, AVG, Sun Java (people forget this upgrade) Zone Alarm and a router. And I deactivated ActiveX for all but Windows update.
 
 Two Million Scans Uncover 55 Million Instances of Spyware,

26 posted on 12/21/2004 12:34:01 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Petronski

What makes it different from Weatherbug, which provides the same weather display feature in your system tray? http://www.weatherbug.com


27 posted on 12/21/2004 12:41:03 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Redcloak
It is a shame that there are so few ISP providers that do not have "local" access numbers. We like ATT WorldNet but their access number is long distance, even though the area code is EXACTLY THE SAME as our area code.

We have DirectTV satellite for TV, but they want us to pay $600 for some sort of box to use them as an internet provider. Plus another $100/month to use their services.

AOL (I HATE AOL -juvenile IM and all the other Mickey Mouse crap and pop-ups) is the only ISP with a local access number.

Regardless, I can travel to any city in the USA or any country in Europe or South America and transact email business on a local dial-up connection from my hotel.

Any ideas?

28 posted on 12/21/2004 12:45:07 AM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: sc2_ct

Sorry, that won't happen until Longhorn ships. By then you'll be shelling out money for a new computer since Longhorn will probably be tied into Intel's new Palladium chip.


29 posted on 12/21/2004 12:48:09 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: dr_lew

Download and install Javacool Software's Spywareblaster. That should keep em from coming back. And go to Eric L. Howes' website and download and lock down Internet Explorer with IE Spy-Ad. Both measures should keep your computer virtually 100% parasite-free. And they're both FREE.


30 posted on 12/21/2004 12:50:52 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Petronski

IE can be removed from the desktop but not from Windows XP. Its integrated into the Operating System so if you did remove it, parts of Windows XP won't function. Its different from Windows 9X where you could delete the browser without missing anything. The reason Microsoft can't upgrade its browser is there's a lot of Windows OS code that has to be rewritten. You'd think Bill Gates would have kept the two separate. And now he's kicking himself for that mistake.


31 posted on 12/21/2004 12:54:08 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Is weatherbug powered by adware?


32 posted on 12/21/2004 1:14:32 AM PST by Petronski (A suitable case for treatment.)
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To: Petronski

The free version does display an ad. It doesn't actually do anything malicious except display the local weather in the taskbar. If you don't want to live with a sponsored ad, by all means upgrade to the paid version.


33 posted on 12/21/2004 1:21:19 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I do not want to rouse any defensiveness. I just don't like ads. The firefox forecast extension has no ads.


34 posted on 12/21/2004 1:24:29 AM PST by Petronski (A suitable case for treatment.)
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To: Petronski

Good point. I wouldn't consider it adware since it does provide a useful service I don't mind advertisers subsidizing. What I do consider adware are pure ads that are forcibly foisted upon me without my knowledge and my consent. As far as true adware is concerned, my attitude has always been that if advertisers want to turn my computer into a 24 hour bulletin board for crummy ads, they ought pay me to display them.


35 posted on 12/21/2004 1:28:49 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
...if advertisers want to turn my computer into a 24 hour bulletin board for crummy ads, they ought pay me to display them.

Absolutely. I feel the same way about those stickers car dealers put on cars, and I've told them so.

I can be pretty damned curmudgeonly/crotchety about these things, but it's the principle.

The only drawbacks I can see for the firefox weather extensions are (a) they might decide to go to an ad basis since Firefox has exploded in popularity and (b) the weather is not visible if the browser is not running.

As for those drawbacks, if ads appear I'll deal with it then, and since my browser is constantly active (with FR, of course), the weather forecast is also always there.

36 posted on 12/21/2004 1:41:24 AM PST by Petronski (A suitable case for treatment.)
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To: Petronski; All
Broadband Firefox users should try ForecastFox 0.5.8. It will put the Weather Channel forecast of your choice in the taskbar. Completely customizeable (I selected the three-day, day-and-night forecast for my ZIP) and totally cool.

The only thing it doesn't do is improve the weather.

Thanks for the tip- I just installed it, and it is a cool little extention!


Everyone else? If you can't abide the idea of using Firefox- for whatever reason- get something else to use in lieu of Internet Explorer.

Even the old copies of Netscape you probably have on all those free discs you got in the mail are better than IE.

We started using FF on the home PC's after a nasty hijacker in June, and we only use IE on the few sites that will not accept alternatives.

37 posted on 12/21/2004 2:35:02 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: totallyOwned

I use FF from time to time but I agree completely that the $40 for Opera is well worth it for me, it's a well crafted product that has a lot of features built in vs. plug-ins that may, or may not, work. I would encourage browser shoppers to give the ad supported model a try.

Was struck by another comment a few messages back about IE being Soviet style. I felt the same thing when I went from NS to IE 3.0 at which point I honestly thought IE was the better product (I don't think there was much question in the market). Funny how lack of innovation can result in such a quick sea change in the market, but my memory is that Gates made that very statement in their battle with the Feds.


38 posted on 12/21/2004 2:58:33 AM PST by Proud_texan
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To: goldstategop
What makes it different from Weatherbug, which provides the same weather display feature in your system tray?

For one thing, you don't get the blizzard of spam you get with Weatherbug.

39 posted on 12/21/2004 7:28:18 AM PST by Redcloak ("FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS!" -Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: Cobra64

My Mom and my Father-in-law both have Earthlink accounts and their dial-up numbers are local calls. In fact, they each have a couple of local numbers to pick from on the list.


40 posted on 12/21/2004 7:32:59 AM PST by Redcloak ("FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS!" -Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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