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Confederate States Of America (2005)
Yahoo Movies ^ | 12/31/04 | Me

Posted on 12/31/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by Caipirabob

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1 posted on 12/31/2004 2:21:32 PM PST by Caipirabob
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To: Caipirabob

It'll be a hack job. Hollywood is not going to be able to say anything nice about the south. Especially after the election.


2 posted on 12/31/2004 2:23:29 PM PST by BullDawg28 (Guns don't kill people, Abortion clinics kill people...)
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To: Caipirabob; selucreh; RebelDS; The Loan Arranger; Malichi; L98Fiero; ducks1944; ...

Southern Mississippi Ping (not USM)


3 posted on 12/31/2004 2:26:41 PM PST by WKB (3! ~ Psa. 12 8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.")
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To: BullDawg28
I think you're right. I'd like it to be different, but common sense tells me I have to agree with you.

They made such a big deal after the election on how the "red States" map looked like the "Slave States" map before the civil war. I suspect it won't be pretty at all.

4 posted on 12/31/2004 2:28:27 PM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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As a historian, I find counterfactuals (alternate histories) fun to play with but the danger is maintaining any sort of REAL objectivity is impossible.

I suspect this will be an opportunity for the left to rant about how evil the south (and thus red-staters) are.


5 posted on 12/31/2004 2:29:02 PM PST by reaganaut ("Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc." - Not just pretty words.)
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Would I fight for a South that believed in Slavery today? I have to ask first, would I know any better back then?

Slavery was not the primary reason that the vast majority of people fought for the Confederacy. Very few people even owned slaves, perhaps 5% or less. Back 140 years ago people were MUCH more dedicated to their state and region than now. The heavily populated and insudtrialized northern states were doing MANY different things that were intended to enrich the northern states at the expense of the southern ones, such as putting high tarrifs on imported machinery so that Southern states would be forced to buy inferior northern machinery.

The issue is much as it is today with liberals; they continually try to spin every issue to make it something that it is not. BTW, if slavery was the issue, why did Lincoln wait two years to sign the Emancipation Proclamation (which did not free a single slave)?

6 posted on 12/31/2004 2:30:46 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: reaganaut

"I suspect this will be an opportunity for the left to rant about how evil the south (and thus red-staters) are"

Exactly. I question the director's motives in making such a flick...is he/she liberal/leftist/race baiter?.


7 posted on 12/31/2004 2:30:54 PM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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"I have to ask first, would I know any better back then?"

That's a refreshing idea on this subject. Too often people forget that what we currently accept as being obvious, in an ethical sense, only became the standard response after much thought, blood, and change. I loathe Hollywood's incessant anti-South position, but I equally loathe some of the sentiments of some southerners on this issue, too. People today have the benefit of hindsight, but also of not having their entire lives ripped up--something Hollywoodies should think about re: Southern society and individual lives and property, and Southerners should think about the slaves whose lives we all know about.

8 posted on 12/31/2004 2:31:11 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Rand-ie, you're a fine girl)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I have to agree. The poorer families would not have held slaves of their own. They would have fought, and like myself, been doomed by their pride.

Also, we can't ignore the fact that MANY NORTHERNERS CONTINUED TO PRACTICE SLAVERY. It's not as if they're necessarily on the moral upside, they just happened to be losing and needed the manpower along with a perceived moral arguement to continue to wage war.

No one bothered to free the slaves before the war. It was all talk.

9 posted on 12/31/2004 2:34:04 PM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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Churchill wrote such an account, I wonder if they'll borrow from him. As I recall, it all ended up pretty much the same anyways, after all was said and done.


10 posted on 12/31/2004 2:37:24 PM PST by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

That's what I like... a man that knows his history.


11 posted on 12/31/2004 2:41:33 PM PST by Bubba (Shoot low! The may be riding Shetlands.)
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Executive Producer: Spike Lee

aka Shelton J. Lee
March 20, 1957
ATLANTA GA

Full blown hatred of white people packaged as introspection.


12 posted on 12/31/2004 2:42:12 PM PST by ishabibble
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To: Caipirabob

Harry Turtledove has a whole set of novels with this premise.


13 posted on 12/31/2004 2:46:19 PM PST by reaganaut ("Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc." - Not just pretty words.)
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To: ishabibble

Lee hasn't really done that sort of thing for a while. His last film, 25th Hour was awesome. And executive producers have no say in what a film is like. By the way, this film, which was made by a small indie outside of the Hollywood system, is apparently a comedy/satire.


14 posted on 12/31/2004 2:47:58 PM PST by Borges
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To: WKB; Caipirabob

"It's an "alternate universe" take on what would the country be like had the South won the civil war."


Given the feelings blue-staters have for
red-staters, not to mention Southerners,
you just KNOW it won't be pretty.




15 posted on 12/31/2004 2:49:10 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: ishabibble
Executive Producer: Spike Lee

Oh jeez, this is a lost cause already!

Guess I'll be looking out for Shrek 3...

16 posted on 12/31/2004 2:55:40 PM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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What's wrong about this photo? Or if you're a true-born Southerner, what's right?

I love The South as much as the next guy, but this picture is a slap to the US Marines. The original is of the United States Marines, not the Confederate States Marines.

17 posted on 12/31/2004 3:02:05 PM PST by R. Scott (A Very Merry Christmas to all.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
BTW, if slavery was the issue, why did Lincoln wait two years to sign the Emancipation Proclamation (which did not free a single slave)?

Because it was a great propaganda move. It created a situation where if any European countries recognized the Confederacy it would be viewed as defacto support of slavery.
18 posted on 12/31/2004 3:10:25 PM PST by R. Scott (A Very Merry Christmas to all.)
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To: Caipirabob

Hell, the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slave in the Confederacy! Maryland was a slave state and in the Union yet they retained their slaves.


19 posted on 12/31/2004 3:13:32 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: R. Scott

Yea, I knew it was propaganda. The Emancipation Proclamation only "freed" slaves in the south while ignoring the slavery that existed in Maryland.


20 posted on 12/31/2004 3:15:10 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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