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To: jonestown
Why don't you try reading & understanding what I've written?

That was almost the exact words I wrote to you for my last reply. But I decided to be polite, and scrapped it.

Its clear that we are talking past each other for the most part. But since I am the one responding, as you initiated the exchange, I feel obligated to respond in kind.

You simply have a flaw in your understanding of american libertarianism. We honor our US Constitution.

Here you are absolutely off base. American Libertarianism as a whole has nothing to say about the U.S. Constitution. The fact the application of a calculated strategy has led to a recent fad among some libertarians to present libertarianism as a pro-constitutionalist philosophy, does not change what libertarianism is (American or otherwise). Nor does this fact, that many libertarians view a constitutional government as the best way to maintain liberty, properly define them as constitutionalists. There are many libertarian supporters of our constitution who would consider being called "constitutionalist" as an insult. And none of this includes the many anti-constitution libertarians.

No, I'd say it is you who does not know the slightest about what "american libertarianism" is, or you are one of them that are trying to trick conservatives about what it is. I suspect the former.

21 posted on 01/14/2005 10:07:30 PM PST by jackbob
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To: jackbob
All of us, conservatives, libertarians, whatever, -- who live in the USA are bound to support our Constitution as the supreme Law of the Land. If your philosophy leads you to take action that violates Constitutional principles, you will pay the price.
There is room for 'prudence' in both philosophies. Why don't you try reading & understanding what I've written?

That was almost the exact words I wrote to you for my last reply. But I decided to be polite, and scrapped it. Its clear that we are talking past each other for the most part. But since I am the one responding, as you initiated the exchange, I feel obligated to respond in kind.

I initiated the exchange to protest your overgeneralized slur on libertarians.
You simply have a flaw in your understanding of american libertarianism. We honor our US Constitution.

Here you are absolutely off base. American Libertarianism as a whole has nothing to say about the U.S. Constitution.

BS. Go to most any libertarian orientated think tank or web site, and try to find any anti-constitutional material. It simply doesn't exist, except on the anarchist fringes.

The fact the application of a calculated strategy has led to a recent fad among some libertarians to present libertarianism as a pro-constitutionalist philosophy, does not change what libertarianism is (American or otherwise).

What "IS" it then, in your mind? Why do you see it as anti-constitutionalist?

Nor does this fact, that many libertarians view a constitutional government as the best way to maintain liberty, properly define them as constitutionalists.

Weird sentence. - You admit that fact, then illogically reverse yourself.

There are many libertarian supporters of our constitution who would consider being called "constitutionalist" as an insult.

You are contradicting yourself, making no sense.. Words have meaning.

And none of this includes the many anti-constitution libertarians.

Sure, there are anarchists who call themselves libertarians. Any nut that wants to can call himself libertarian, and many do. -- But when questioned as to their real philosophy, they fail the real test of american libertarianism. They do not support & defend the US Constitution.

No, I'd say it is you who does not know the slightest about what "american libertarianism" is, or you are one of them that are trying to trick conservatives about what it is. I suspect the former.

Very well, what is mainstream american libertarianism in -your- view? Try to spare me the nonsense from the fringes, I've seen it all.

Give me your critique of the Cato Institute, for instance. I consider them as the best in the business.

The Cato Institute: Public Policy Analysis, Limited Government, Free Markets Address:http://www.cato.org/

23 posted on 01/15/2005 8:00:43 AM PST by jonestown ( Tolerance for intolerance is not tolerance at all.)
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