[Jutboy]

On a whole, I consider myself a liberal....I can hear the hisses already....Im not sure exactly what it means to be a republician or democrate but I support goverment intervention for the needy (thus raising taxes) which I beileve was the classic definition between the parties.

I am also a strong beilever in god, in liberity and in freedom.

I don't understand the seperation between our parties, I honestly don't. I don't think republician's want death (I support a "just" war though), wants people to go hungry, wants intolerance (I think any true beilever in god would be againist this).

I can tell you for sure no liberals want these things. Yet somehow our parties always end up fighting. Why?

We always end up fighting each other instead of for the good causes and no one can deny there is so many horrible things happening in this world.

Your motto above says "Defending the Constitution", but thats we feel like we are doing!

Please don't blow me off as being stupid, or self serving, or hatefilled or anything else you view liberals as. Please take the time to explain and not just spread more hate.

Sincerely, Justin

[Brett66]

[Bars4Bill]

Liberal looking to understand

First word cancels the last.

G'day.

[mysto]

I am also a strong beilever in god, in liberity and in freedom.
"bielever"? "liberity"?
Ewe knead two lurn hou too spel betr...
and by the way, it's God with a capital G, troll...

[KC_Conspirator]

If you don't hate America, you'll do just fine. Unfortunately, too many people labelling themselves democrates don't share the same values.

[doug from upland]

Here is the problem, Justin. The traditional middle American values we have held our entire lives have been under an unprecedented attack.

For thousands of years, a married mother and father raising children was the best thing for children and for the continuation of our culture and society. That has always been a no-brainer. It is your side that wants to change that. Sorry, most people accept that what gays do is their business as long as are not public spectacles. But they should not be given the same status as a man and woman being married.

Your side attacked Ronald Reagan and wanted to acquiesce to the communist menace instead of defeating it. Your side was wrong.

Your side wants to completely eliminate the mention of God. Michael Newdow is on your side. The separation of church and state is a liberal creation. What the framers fought against was one state-sponsored religion. They would not believe what your side has been doing.

If you believe in liberty, the owner of a business should be able to determine whether smoking is allowed in his business. No one is forced to go there. I hate smoke, so I won't go there. But he has that right.

The people on your side believe guns are the problem. We believe people are the problem. Did you know that guns are used perhaps a million and a half times a year to stop a crime?

Your side has pushed the envelope everywhere, and we resent it and will fight it. John Kennedy believed in a very strong national defense and he pushed an unprecedented tax cut. He would not recognize the DemocRATic party today. That is the problem. We are not far right wingers. What has really happened is that your side has gone so far to the left that they are barely visible.

Your side supported Clinton's war in the Balkans where we didn't have a national interest. The mass murder claims against Milosevik were not even close to what was being alleged. Hussein, on the other hand, is responsible for probably 1.3 million deaths. But your side doesn't support the removal of the worst mass murderer since Hitler who did pose a threat to us.

Your side allowed a rapist to stay in the White House. We weren't trying to pull a coup. Gore would have been president.

The most disgusting politicians are on your side --- Mel Reynolds and Marion Barry are examples. If someone goes bad on our side, he loses our support.

There's a start. Your side has attacked our culture and has been tearing down the institutions that made our country great. How is there room to get along?

[Free and Armed]

I got a bigger complaint. My right nut has been aching all day! Wtf is up with that??

[MeekOneGOP]

Bye, Jutboy.

He's dead, Jim.
(Click here or on the pic).

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . .don't be shy.

[PilloryHillary]

At least you spelled Republican correctly. Goodbye.

[SlowBoat407]

(sigh) Too Bad, Justin. You had a chance at a meaningful exchange and perhaps some enilightenment, but apparently all you saw was an opportunity to stage a lame teach-in in the form of a question. I wonder if one of us would have lasted as long doing the same thing over at DU.

[William Terrell]

Well, consider. You posted this at 9:15 pm on the 16th. As of 6 am on the 17th, and 80 posts later, you have not responded to one post.

If you, as a liberal, are to lend have any credibility at all to your ideas you must engage with the opposition. Otherwise, you waste space and time, and prove that your point is insincere.

[Arrowhead1952]

Spell check is our friend. Looks like you have no need to use it anymore, as you got the ZOT!

[Conspiracy Guy]

Are you also a beilever in spelling?



I Started a Post
Troll Zot Theme

I started a post, which brought out the Viking Kitties.
But I didn’t see, that the Mods would ban me, oh no.
I smelled some ozone, which started the Freepers, laughing.
Oh if I’d only seen that the Mods would ban me.



It came from the sky the sudden flash blinding my eyes.
And I laid there in bed, then someone said, “Jim he is dead.”
From Zot I had died, which started the Freepers, paving.
No I hadn’t seen that the Mods would ban me.



It came from the sky the sudden flash blinding my eyes.
And I laid there in bed, then someone said, “Jim he is dead.”
From Zot I had died, which started the Freepers, paving.
No I hadn’t seen that the Mods would ban me.
Oh oh no that Mods would ban me.



From; I started a Joke, Bee Gees.

From the twisted mind of Conspiracy Guy

[JimWforBush]

I can't beileve you posted this.

[Jutboy3]

Hello everyone again....Its Jutboy here.

Sorry, I wanted to reply but my username got taken away (Reason: Troll???)...but I keep reading and so many people took the time to write I figured I create another account to at least try to write back. To admin: Im not sure what I did wrong (what is trolling?), could you please make it more clear so I don't do it again) I really would like to converse a little and think its not write that you should cut me off from writing back!

Ok..ok...to start off with - my spelling....well I rushed the letter, Im sorry....I think its kind of silly to attack me on that point when there are so many huge issues to discuss but whatever....

Some one asked about me (Dog Gone), Im a 21 year old working at a mental hospital currently holding a bachelors in psychology. I live in CT

To the comment that we liberals/conservatives can't ever have a discussion (AQGeiger)- I think thats silly, we are just people and I think all people want the same thing, we just go about getting it different ways.

I order of posting for replys

fullchroma: I was refering to posts like the first one

MJY1288: I don't think it can be said that simply becuase I don't know a liberal that doesn't get pissed about lazy people that sit around and spend our tax money.....since this address a lot I would like to say that I support letting people have their tax money. I don't understand why we have to cut funding for aid for needy people (and I understand that some people are abusing the system but I would say most actually need help) and giving tax cuts to billionires....I don't understand why republicians support a system so much hurts the poor and supports the rich.

bitt : I pay my taxs like everyone else and Im mostly upset that it all goes towards military and not towards programs I support...When I lived in Australia I had to pay 48% so I do know what its like

McGavin999: Thank you for writing to me like an intelligent person...I completly support your premise on fishing but I don't understand how welfare was so destructive.....it might have been abused but it must have helped some people....when I think of destructive I think of enviromental laws being dismantled, Reagon attacking Guatamala ect.

Baynative:Thank you for the long post...

Abortion: I don't support killing life AT ALL - but I think that more effort should be spent on supporting that life once it is born...I mean if having a kid ruins the mothers life and both the child + mom live in horrible conditions I can't justify it

immigration: I don't know much about it....I do know that we were all immigrants once though

Discrimination: I think its silly to try to address this by legislation and I think in general you have to admit thatliberals are more tolerant than republicians.

Enviroment: Who got their land taken away? Why are you stressing about an extra lane to support car pooling...why don't you worry about the goverment allowing business to release more toxic chemical (1 in 5 women of bearing age have unsafe levels of mercery), or allow the stripping of our natural resources

Gays:Their problem? Sounds like you don't except that they are the way they are...its like asking blacks to get over their problem

Ethyl: I think some people are put in a situation that they need help to start off and its hard to understand that if you started off in a pretty good place

deaconjim:I aggree with you 100%




more to come.....

[grellis]

You don't know the difference between the parties? Well, for starters, GOPers can spell. If they can't, they can spellcheck. We also tend to be a wee bit more logical, more consistent. Consider your own assertions, if you will:

...but I support goverment intervention for the needy (thus raising taxes)...

I am also a strong beilever in god, in liberity and in freedom.

Are there any bells going off yet?

[Jutboy3]

eccentric: Im interested in that link

MJY1288: Im not sure if you know whats like to be in need...when I went to Haiti these people certainly had a lot of diginity but many of them would die if they didn't except hand outs

REDWOOD99: Thank....I thought it would be rough and I am sorry...from now I an I will spell God correctly!

mountainlyons: I would like enter into logical discussion

wolfpat: I just subscribed

Wormwood:Who would but I don't see how democrats support this

jwalsh07: I addressed many of these already but I don't understand republicians defending their right to bear arms....I support the constitution (and of course theres the arguement they were refering to the militia) but guns hurt people so much and there are so much stats about coutnries without guns being so much safer...but you know what I don't want to take guns away....I just don't see how you can support Bush and thus the patriot act (what I see as the complete destruction of our constitution (if you want to argue this point please do so but in a logical manner)) but you care so much about having guns!!

new cruelty: I think thats a bit rude....Im sorry for being a bit nice to the liberal is how I see it?

Sam Cree: Thanks for the good post....I agree with you on all points...I don't understand how you think welfare has made people poorer though

Ethyl:I don't know where your stats came from...in CT about at least 50% of people attend some sort of church and I don't know anyone that doesn't beileve in God. I am not a strong support of organized religion however...I think it detracts from God and become more about power. I know you are the Christian Coalition but Im not sure if what that means exactly.

Deb: My view on terrorism is this....kill them if all they want to do is hurt us. If they are pissed cause we hurt them a bunch in the past then offer condolences....no one ever wonders why they hate us so much....I don't think its cause we are "free"

Zacs Mom:I didn't mean to offensive

SandyInSeattle: Will do..but you know that there a just as many for you guys

Ragnorak: point well take, but simply there is not enough private orgs that are helping and do think that the gov has a certain responsiblity to help/support its people......does what you say apply during the great depression????? Do you realize we are going through a smaller one now and some innocent people are being hurt by it.

Trippin: Point well taken about Iraq

nopardons: Thanks buddy....I figured the best way to learn is to ask

Outland: Id believe in socialism...I beileve in the middle way...cause I think either extreme is very destructive.

AnOldCowhand: THanks...I think

Wormwood: Hey hey now....I don't know how these things work.....I just posted and came back in the morning...relax whats the rush

nopardons: what makes you say Im not bright?

DocRock: I don't think the capitalization of God reflects my beliefs and I think it is a horrible thing to question me on that subject!!!! Shame on you

Outland: I agree with you completely about the horrible history (I just finished Howard Zimms : A people history of the US)

dog breath: THank you for the post....I agree with most of what you say except with the summary of liberals...also I would like to add, so the attempt to help with housing was a failure.....suprise suprise....thats a problem that comes up when you address symptoms not causes...I think we should try a differnt strategy then (like consueling ect.)

Bars4Bill: Why do you say stuff like that

KC_Conspirator: THanks and I think the same thing is true for republicians

doug from upland: Im not sure about this who family values thing...I mean how many divorces are there every year?

Ah...Ronald Reagan....I don't any of the communist states as real communism, I see it as facism.....and I don't support Clinton but he didn't kill 200,000 Guatamalians

"Your side wants to completely eliminate the mention of God" - I don't think we want that...we want protection againist forcing our religion on anyone...which I think is something worth considering...you can't say the current/past missionaries are doing things nice and respectible like

"your side has gone so far to the left that they are barely visible." _ id say the same thing about your side

Thanks for the post and I truely think its horrible either side has to comprimise and put people like we have had to into power

freedumb2003: Gender bais?

SlowBoat407: WHat was I trying to teach? What this whole goodbye stuff about?????

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I promise I will be back tonight, Thanks for writing with realitive respect.

[FreeKeys]

I don't understand the seperation between our parties, I honestly don't.

Well the basic questions are: WHO OWNS YOU? Do you own yourself or are you just another piece of government property? Who owns your kids? You or the government?

R's and D's tend to answer those fundamental questions completely differently. My personal suggestion is that you study THIS very, VERY carefully, and see if it doesn't help.

[RushCrush]

As a great conservative mind once said, you can sum up a liberal in one word: GIMME

[506trooper]

Too bad you didn't take the time to respond to the many who took the time to respond forthrightly to your post in an attempt to provide answers to you inane questions.

You might have learned something.

I hope you're still reading this; probably not, but one can still hope.

Save your post to a word document for future reference.

Next, I would suggest you read the Constitution (get help with the big words).

Get an education (formal and informal)

Get a job, pay taxes, survive on your own merit.

Observe the differences between liberals and conservatives.

Read the Constitution again.

Read your post again and answer your own silly questions.

See you in a few years.

[Spiff]

From where do we get our rights? Do you know the definition of the word inalienable? From where does the Federal Government get its power and authority and how much should it have? Define the terms federal government and national government - compare and contrast them.

Your answers will likely differ significantly from those of a conservative and they would demonstrate the key differences between liberalism and conservatism.