Posted on 03/28/2005 6:03:45 AM PST by shortstop
I could not agree more. While terrorist attacks may or can cause random acts of violence and destruction the flood of illegals can destabilize the nation by the rapid change in values systems, language , customs and established political system and overwhelming the already fragile infrastructure.
The relegation of the black population to an ever lower minority standing is the equivalent of them being pushed from their achieved lower middle class back to lower/poverty class permanence and that is a social bomb whose fuse has been lit.
So. We are to wait until Hillary comes to? That's your fix?
You just might not happen to be another clueless Loser-Dem flailing away at the winning President and party that appears to have zero intelligent opposition except for "Overthrow" now are you?
The most obvious major problem is illegal immigration.
Do you dimwits have any substantive proposal to fix it? I mean other than fire the President?
Why are "conservative" Republicans lying about Bush's immigration reform?
Then there is this one...about how Bush is supposedly "victimizing" these "immigrants":
Things that make you go hmmmmm....
This article is written by Mary Mostert. She is a blatant liar. Last summer she published an article with almost the same title defending Rep. Chris Cannon's (R-UT) disgusting Agricultural Jobs an Opportunity Act as "not an amnesty" never mind that it allowed illegals to transform from illegal status to legal status with no punishment if they had worked one hundred days in agriculture (and working one hour qualified as a full day). Chris Cannon was reelected and I believe was recently recognized by La Raza as their politician of the year.
Nobody should believe a word of Mary Mostert's ridiculous and painfully shallow propaganda.
My source is my memory. Your post cites widely differing estimates to conclude that I am wrong. Looks to me as if you can get statistics to say whatever you want. But no matter what the truth may be the conclusion doesn't change. Give me a break.
I don't know but they legalized 1,000,000 just before the second term election.
In your dreams.
Try taking off the tin foil once and a while.
Besides your opinion what other evidence do you have to make that charge?
You know, folks, it is getting tiresome reading all of the nastiness.
The President of the United States is not a traitor because he has taken a step toward dealing with a serious problem with which you disagree. A writer is not a blatant liar because an article differs from your opinion.
The fastest way to become a laughing stock of the internet is to start letting the bullies tromp over reasoned dialogue.
What kind of President allow this sort of situation?
"It is almost an act of treason. He has acted as an odd modern-day Quisling. We are being invaded and he is siding with the invaders."
Yep. That's about the size of things.
Anyone looking for Dubya Bush's legacy has found it here. In our OWN country.
Some people think there must be some magic wand instant solution,
Go Pat Go! ;)
The ONLY "step" the President has taken in "dealing" with the Illegal Invasion/Open Border situation has been by rolling out the Red Carpet down himself.
The spectacle of Dubya Bush down getting on his d@mn knees for Fox in front of the entire world makes a "serious" situation all that much worse than it already is.
The President is a DIS-GRACE.
It ALL begins with a large dollop of KY-Jelly.
"Try taking off the tin foil once and a while"
Try taking your rose colored glasses off once in a while.
I see just fine thank you. Believing there is some vast, global, decades old conspiracy to destroy the United States is just as nutty as the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" the lefties always cry about.
The problem with some members of this forum is they're of the mindset that either you agree with their position 100% or it means you're supporting "open borders".
A writer is not a blatant liar because an article differs from your opinion.
For some, the truth is whatever they want it to be.
Here is a quote from Mary's article that was linked in Post 24
The Cannon bill and its companion bill in the Senate, S1645, state that any alien benefiting from the new program "must establish" that he or she is "admissible to the United States under section 212 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182)." That is the section of the immigration law that defines "inadmissible" aliens. It is about 82 pages long and one of the ways to become an "inadmissible" alien is to come into this country illegally.
Essentially she is saying the AgJobs Bill is not an amnesty because since the illegals came illegally they would not be eligible. But the whole point of the AgJobs Bill is for illegals to adjust their status and to give farmers a large supply of cheap legal (formerly illegal) labor. With the exception of Mary, nobody disputes that the AgJobs Bill is about adjusting status (many of us call this amnesty) for illegals. What Mary fails to say is that the "not illegal" requirement is specifically waived a few sentences later in the bill.
There are really only two possibilities. Mary could a)just simply be ignorant and mistaken or b)she could deliberately be trying to obfuscate the truth (lie). I personally exchanged several emails with her about this last spring so I know the truth has been brought to her attention. I also saw a debate in the Provo Herald (I think) right before the Cannon/Throckmorton primary where a prominent immigration reform person (either Bill Nelson or Mark Krikorian) also brought the rather obvious flaws in her reasoning to her attention.
The fact that she persists in spreading ideas that have been repeatedly demonstrated to be untruthful makes her a liar.
Further, if you read the article she tries to pretend that the AgJobs Bill is a joint effort between Cannon and Bush and that it is the legislative version of Bush's guestworker plan. This is patently false. The AgJobs Bill was written before Bush ever outlined his plan, no legislative version of Bush's plan has yet been written and AgJobs specifically provides a path to citizenship where as Bush has specifically excluded that as a possibility.
A second Mary Mostert lie.
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