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Why Men Hate Church
CBN ^ | April 12th, 2005 | David Murrow

Posted on 04/12/2005 11:43:22 AM PDT by missyme

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1 posted on 04/12/2005 11:43:22 AM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

Oh this is so silly! There was no more manly or heroic man who ever lived on this planet than Jesus of Nazarath. Not one man today could ever be as masculine or as brave.


2 posted on 04/12/2005 11:45:10 AM PDT by freepertoo
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Oh Kayyyyy

I read the first few paragraphs of this and immediately started to wonder how someone could write this stuff and believe it to be true.
I'm speechless.


3 posted on 04/12/2005 11:46:37 AM PDT by frankiep
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Very silly. I go to church all the time, my wife rarely goes. I believe that anyone who met us would agree that I am much more masculine than she is.


4 posted on 04/12/2005 11:47:11 AM PDT by Sthitch
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There has been a story on my mind the last week or so that I remember my dad telling me. Dad told me this story so long ago that I am sure parts are not exactly correct but all-in-all this is how it goes.

My dad was about six or seven when his younger brother Eddie was born. I think the year was 1938, maybe 1937 but--back to what I know. It seems that my grandmother had a very hard time with the birth and she was transferred from the home on the second floor of the little wooden apartment complex that still stands on Wheeler Avenue in Anderson, Indiana just about four blocks from St Mary’s Church.

By this time several area births took place in the Hospital but it was still a time when many births were still performed at home. Wilma, my grandmother was delivering Eddie in her seventh month and the birth was nearly intolerable for both. A premature baby in the thirties was a baby meant for prayer. The mother went into seizures that started at home and my dad, at six was the first to see this.

Now it is a few days later, my dad was in about 1st or 2nd grade and walked from home on sixth avenue to Saint Mary’s School and on the way he passed the hospital and could see the window where his mother lay.

At the time of the childbirth the doctor made no promises for the child or the mother and as my dad related to me he put his face near his mother and she said…”Jackie-boy, a little bird said you’re worrying”. I will never ever forget what my dad said, “Eddie needs you mom”. Six or seven years old and already dad does not want to say “I need you mom!.”

I don’t know how this part of the story came about but Wilma lay in the hospital seriously ill for weeks. A night nurse had a code for my dad that if he saw the vase in the window his mom was still doing okay…but if not, well. For about six weeks dad walked to school every day past his mom window and everyday a vase till finally mom came home with little Eddie.

In this whole story there is now, years later one survivor…Eddie is retired military. Dad is gone…parents all gone and life goes on and on.

There is a strange twist to many fathers, we start out tough but by the time our children are grown it is often our wives handing us the Kleenex. I typed this story and I thought of my dad as the “little one” and I was an adult standing ready. How I wished I could now comfort him…gone after all these years. Then I realize I’ve not moved away from my dad…I am my dad.

I wonder if any other father’s feel the same way?


5 posted on 04/12/2005 11:47:35 AM PDT by sierrahome (Department of Redundancy Department)
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"Why won’t he let God change him?”

And here, in a nutshell, is the answer. The woman wants him to change.

6 posted on 04/12/2005 11:48:19 AM PDT by Lekker 1 ("There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be attainable"- Albert Einstein)
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To: missyme
It's a bit simpler than the author's thesis, but here's the real reason why men, even the rather debased and wimpified men of 2005, don't go to church:

"History does not record anywhere a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help."

-Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love - Robert A. Heinlein

8 posted on 04/12/2005 11:49:16 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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Oh baloney! I am a man and I love my church and look forward to every Sunday School class and service. I got almost all the way through the first section before I decided this article was goofy.


9 posted on 04/12/2005 11:50:05 AM PDT by day10 (Rules cannot substitute for character.)
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"Ask him why he doesn’t go to church, and he’ll offer up words like boring, irrelevant, and hypocrite. But the real reason Cliff doesn’t go to church is that he’s already practicing another religion. That religion is masculinity. "

Psycho-babble. Liberal speak for "manly men are bad. Embrace tolerance, look to your feminine side" garbage. You should simply take what a man says at face value.

10 posted on 04/12/2005 11:50:20 AM PDT by subterfuge
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The author is welcome to come to Fort Worth, Texas and visit our congregation. Our 5000 member congregation hosts an annual Mens Retreat that has between 500 - 700 participants over Super Bowl weekend.


11 posted on 04/12/2005 11:51:23 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (When it's all said and done, someone starts another conversation.......)
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“I go to a small Pentecostal church. There are no single guys my age. This man at work was pursuing me, so I told him our first date would have to be church. He came, but I think it freaked him out. He never called again.”

Ya think??!?!? Don't get me wrong, but unless we already knew each other outside of the dating realm and both attended the same church to begin with I wouldn't want our "first date" to be church... and even if we did I doubt I would want my first date to be church..

Let me see, first date, I'm going to go into the center of her sphere of influence, meet and be judged by all her friends... while I sit there not knowning anyone and not able to get to know anyone out of respect for the services going on....

This is NOT a good first date.

As to no manly men going to church? I don't know where you get that from... perhaps it is just the church you attend? or perhaps the church you attend has moved so far away from the faith and so far into the gay right/social libertine movement that all men of principle and character want nothing to do with it?

12 posted on 04/12/2005 11:52:06 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Guess you missed this part of the article:

"Think of Moses and Elijah, David and Daniel, Peter and Paul. They were lions, not lambs—takecharge men who risked everything in service to God. They fought valiantly and spilled blood. They spoke their minds and stepped on the toes of religious people. They were true leaders, tough guys who were feared and respected by the community. All of these men had two things in common: they had an intense commitment to God, and they weren’t what you’d call saintly."


13 posted on 04/12/2005 11:52:13 AM PDT by Betis70 (Guinness is good for ya)
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To: sierrahome

Beautiful story


14 posted on 04/12/2005 11:52:33 AM PDT by frankiep
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It is true. I would wager than half the men in church would not be there unless their family was there.


15 posted on 04/12/2005 11:53:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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Let me say this in the strongest possible terms: the answer is not a maledominated church. I am not advocating the “submit to me, woman,” brand of Christianity in which men are kings and women are pawns. Not only is this model unbiblical; it doesn’t create spiritually mature men.

Women submitting to their husbands is very much Biblical, but not in such a way that men are king and women are pawns. Men must love and respect their wifes and not treat them as slaves.

16 posted on 04/12/2005 11:53:23 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Lenin would be proud that you share his disdain for the almighty. Fortunately for you, that mindset wasn't able to catch on beyond a few narcicists and communists.


17 posted on 04/12/2005 11:54:16 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Sigh this is typical men are from mars women are from Venus BS.

Typically women or more specifically wives and mothers do things most men wouldn't bother with. Dishes, Ironing, ect. Men traditionally do the man jobs, mow grass, take out garbage ect.
I think men typically get away with more stuff for because of Apathy, we just don't care. When it comes down to it women usually do things based on what other people will think. The only reason my grandmother drags my grandfather to church is because she doesn't want the neighbors to talk. The same goes with dressing up. You can say it's a respect thing, but when it comes down to i always dressed up because my mother told me too; and then found myself looking down at those who where wearing jeans.

This is just another case of a woman over analyzing the male mind. We are pretty easy creatures to figure out. I assure you we don't go to church because we don't want to go, not because we are busy worshiping masculinity.
18 posted on 04/12/2005 11:56:28 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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Kinda interesting. Church does appeal more to the whole "nurturing" side of life, which may turn men off.....

I, for one, can get bored silly at Church. And alot of women do seem to run the place....


19 posted on 04/12/2005 11:57:42 AM PDT by Pondman88
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I don't know where you get that. I'm Catholic and I don't see that at all. In fact, I see quite a few men at church every week who are there by themselves, me included. The same can be said of Protestants that I know. I have met many, many men , some of whom are good friends, who are devout Protestants and it is not simply because of their family.


20 posted on 04/12/2005 12:01:30 PM PDT by frankiep
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