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Lord of the Rings - help needed (vanity)

Posted on 06/24/2005 7:13:06 AM PDT by hispanichoosier

I need help with LOTR. Two friends and I were discussing the books and movies last weekend. Friend 1 observed that the relationship between Frodo and Sam (in the movies) had homosexual overtones. Friend 2 retorted that the relationship is based on the master/servant relationship of old England and that Friend 1 was looking at it through American eyes, where rugged individualism is more prized. I--caught in the middle--had to admit that I thought that Sean Astin overplayed Sam at times but was great overall.

So, was Friend 1 right about the gay overtones, or was Friend 2's explanation correct? I'm rather at a loss over the whole debacle.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: aragorn; bilbo; fanboy; frodo; gandalf; lord; rings; sam; thisthreadisgay; tolkien
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1 posted on 06/24/2005 7:13:08 AM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: hispanichoosier

What's a Hoosier?.......


2 posted on 06/24/2005 7:14:34 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: hispanichoosier; HairOfTheDog

ping


3 posted on 06/24/2005 7:14:38 AM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: Red Badger

Isn't it a kind of vacuum cleaner??


4 posted on 06/24/2005 7:15:14 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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To: hispanichoosier

None of the above.. they were friends (you could correctly say drinking buddies..) What people should take from this is Sam's sense of loyality to his friends, even willing to lay down his life for them..


5 posted on 06/24/2005 7:15:46 AM PDT by mnehring (http://www.mlearningworld.com)
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To: hispanichoosier

Yes, I think that Sean Astin is gay.


6 posted on 06/24/2005 7:15:51 AM PDT by evets (</sarcasm>)
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To: hispanichoosier

The relationship between Sam and Frodo was a take on the relationship between a WWII British officer and his assistant (the title of which escapes me at the moment).


7 posted on 06/24/2005 7:16:00 AM PDT by homeschool_dad
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To: hispanichoosier

Friend 1 has repressed homosexual tendencies. (/sarc)


8 posted on 06/24/2005 7:16:04 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Working Class Zero with wall-to-wall carpeting.)
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To: hispanichoosier

The whole of the Rings reflects an order within and without the universe. Obedience and hope, not disobedience and despair are central to the Rings. I have a poor understanding of the whole and there are those who have much more understanding of theology and literature who have discussed it.

Look on the some of the Ring sites.

Viewing the relationship on some sexual level reflects poorly on those critical thinking skills IMHO.


9 posted on 06/24/2005 7:16:29 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Try permaculture and get back to the Founders intent. Mr. Jefferson lives!)
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To: homeschool_dad
and his assistant

batman

10 posted on 06/24/2005 7:16:38 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Working Class Zero with wall-to-wall carpeting.)
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To: hispanichoosier

Friend #2 is on the mark. Tolkien is probably rolling in his grave with the way today's society has twisted the beautiful relationship between Sam and Frodo the way Friend #1 has.


11 posted on 06/24/2005 7:17:11 AM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA) Wisconsin Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: Red Badger

Gay Hobbits.....

Dwarves of San Francisco.


12 posted on 06/24/2005 7:17:14 AM PDT by Pondman88
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To: hispanichoosier
Repeat to yourself: "It's just a show; I should really just relax."
13 posted on 06/24/2005 7:17:20 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: hispanichoosier; ecurbh; HairOfTheDog

Freidn 1 is a nut. Absolutely a nut. It's not there.

The relationship between Sam and Frodo has its base in the master/servant relationship but there's more to it than that. Tolkien had a very high regard for male friendship.

ecurbh, I don't know if this should even get a ring ping but we could come dump on this poor guy.


14 posted on 06/24/2005 7:17:36 AM PDT by JenB
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To: homeschool_dad

WWI I think, but you are correct. It was not about homosexuality at all.


16 posted on 06/24/2005 7:17:57 AM PDT by Truth Table
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ping

Why do all friendly male relationships have to be about homosexuality?


17 posted on 06/24/2005 7:18:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: hispanichoosier

Friend 2 was sort of right. Sam was given the task to protect Frodo and having accepted that task and being an honorable man, took that task very seriously indeed. His love was the brotherly love of warriors.


18 posted on 06/24/2005 7:18:18 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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19 posted on 06/24/2005 7:18:21 AM PDT by evets (</sarcasm>)
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To: hispanichoosier

"Friend 1 observed that the relationship between Frodo and Sam (in the movies) had homosexual overtones. "


Stupid, ignorant POV that completely ignores the fact that Sam marries a big-boobed Hobbit Hottie at the end of the movie trilogy.


20 posted on 06/24/2005 7:18:26 AM PDT by Blzbba (Let them hate us as long as they fear us - Caligula)
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