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Best airplanes ever made?
July 2, 2005 | self / vanity

Posted on 07/02/2005 1:07:16 PM PDT by The Other Harry

My personal favorites are the DC3 and the J3 Cub. Aeroncas weren't bad either.

I seem to like tail-draggers.

I have never piloted a DC3, but I have flown in one. That was down from Miami into Key West in the setting sun. They should still make them. There was an airplane.

I have piloted a J3. It was a bitch to taxi, but it was great fun to fly. If I could get one for a reaonable price (which is not possible these days), I would. I sometimes go out to the local airport just to look at the one they have. It's really nice.

An Aeronca would be fine also. Low and slow.

I suppose an F14 or a Warthog would be okay also. Those are a little over my head.


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1 posted on 07/02/2005 1:07:16 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: The Other Harry

There isn't much I wouldn't give for a ride in a Warthog.


2 posted on 07/02/2005 1:10:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: cripplecreek

B-1 Lancer. The damn thing looks like it is doing 700 MPH while sitting on the ground.

Uglest, B-2, nuff said.


3 posted on 07/02/2005 1:13:59 PM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: The Other Harry

Think smaller..... think Navion.

The Navion I once owned and made in 1946 is still flying......


4 posted on 07/02/2005 1:15:56 PM PDT by bert ( "Market forces, not political majorities, will compel societies to reconfigure themselves in ways t)
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To: cripplecreek
C-130 in all of its variants.
5 posted on 07/02/2005 1:17:01 PM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: The Other Harry

The B52.


6 posted on 07/02/2005 1:18:10 PM PDT by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return with Honor")
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To: The Other Harry

My personal favorite would be the Bellanca Super Viking. Nothing beats it for overall feel and legacy. 160kts @10000 ft and a bulletproof wood wing.


7 posted on 07/02/2005 1:19:49 PM PDT by Species8472
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To: afnamvet

The BUFF is a fine airplane. B-52 jockys say that when the last B-2 is sent to Davis Mothan, a B-52 will be sent down there to ferry the pilots back to their home base.


8 posted on 07/02/2005 1:26:49 PM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: The Other Harry; cripplecreek
My favorites are both from WW II. The P-51 Mustang and the P-38 Lightning were both pretty hot fighters in their time. My father had the opportunity to fly both of them. He loved the Mustang. The Lightning was a pretty scary ride according to my father. It skidded wide during turns. I knew a guy who had a P-51. He flew in the Reno Air Races and died when another plane clipped his wing tip.



9 posted on 07/02/2005 1:29:35 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: afnamvet

F4 PHANTOM rolling in dropping napalm


10 posted on 07/02/2005 1:30:06 PM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Rough Neck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast (Oil Field Trash was FUN))
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To: cpdiii
Click here for a great silhouette of a Phantom. http://www.aeropresse.com/photo/wallpapers/F4/F4_640.jpg
11 posted on 07/02/2005 1:37:26 PM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Rough Neck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast (Oil Field Trash was FUN))
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To: cpdiii
Nothing like napalm to ruin Charlie's day.

Flying over Nam, especially prior to approach at Tan Son Nhut, the ground looked like a golf course-gone-mad with all the bomb craters that looked like sand traps....courtesy of the BUFs.

12 posted on 07/02/2005 1:47:45 PM PDT by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return with Honor")
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To: Lokibob

The BUF will be around to ferry pilots back from delivering the last Auroa to Davis-Monthan.


13 posted on 07/02/2005 1:49:30 PM PDT by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return with Honor")
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To: The Other Harry
I suppose an F14 or a Warthog would be okay also.

I'll miss the F-14 Tomcat. If the F/A-18 Hornet is the "Porsche 911 Turbo" of the aviation world, the F-14 is the '68 Dodge Charger with a 440 Magnum. Pure American muscle!

I was fortunate to be able to stand on the flight deck of the USS George Washington (CVN-73) and watch Tomcats belonging to CVW 7 participate in flight ops. Those planes were so loud they literally shook my balls! I could feel my teeth rattle! The Hornets are cool but an era ended when the Navy retired the Tomcats.

14 posted on 07/02/2005 1:57:09 PM PDT by Drew68 (IYAOYAS! Semper Gumby!)
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To: The Other Harry

The Bf 109 was always pretty cool.

15 posted on 07/02/2005 2:00:26 PM PDT by Drew68 (IYAOYAS! Semper Gumby!)
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To: ex-Texan

> He loved the Mustang.

The ex-husband a former GF of mine had a Mustang. He was a pilot for UAL, but this was something he just bought for himself.

It had so much torque that it would just about twist itself right off the runway when you were trying to take off. "Right rudder" was not enough. You had to lean on the stick in a big way.

I forgot about Lightnings. They belong on my list. What was term that was used for them? "Devils from the sky"?

> It skidded wide during turns. I knew a guy who had a
> P51. He flew in the Reno Air Races and died when
> another plane clipped his wing tip.

Yes, well...

My GF's ex- died flying an ultra-light into a mountain. At least he was doing something he enjoyed. He loved flying.


16 posted on 07/02/2005 2:00:41 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: The Other Harry
DC3:

 

J3 Cub:

Aeronca


17 posted on 07/02/2005 2:07:07 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Drew68
F-14: overweight, overly complex and until late in its life, greatly underpowered.

F-15: Light for it's size, excellent weapons load, zero losses in combat, thrust to weight greater than 1:1. The best until...

F-22: Stealthy, manuveurable, FAST

I've always been partial to the A-12/SR-71 though.
18 posted on 07/02/2005 2:08:10 PM PDT by midwestmidnight
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To: The Other Harry
Always liked the look of the Corsair.


19 posted on 07/02/2005 2:55:40 PM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: The Other Harry
The only plane I ever actually piloted, illegally, a Porterfield. It was owned by a Cuban expatriate, who bought it in Texas, and flew it into St. Augustine flying by night, also illegally, no ID numbers, no anything, but it flew, and those were the good old days. I don't know if this was the one, the one I flew was painted pink and blue. Image hosted by Photobucket.com
20 posted on 07/02/2005 5:59:31 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: The Other Harry
I have never piloted a DC3, but I have flown in one.

Same difference for it flys itself! : )

21 posted on 07/02/2005 6:02:32 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: bert
think Navion.

Oh, pawleeeese!

22 posted on 07/02/2005 6:03:22 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: ex-Texan

Both aircraft are excellent however I have never had the opportunity to fly in a P-38.


23 posted on 07/02/2005 6:04:49 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: The Other Harry
I have a bunch of hours in this airframe: The KC-135 is one hell of an aircraft.
24 posted on 07/02/2005 6:08:16 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: The Other Harry

F-8 Crusader--- BOOM!


25 posted on 07/02/2005 6:18:40 PM PDT by zzen01
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To: The Other Harry
The Thunderbolt!

Affectionately nicknamed "Jug," the P-47 was one of the most famous AAF fighter planes of WW II. Although originally conceived as a lightweight interceptor, the P-47 developed as a heavyweight fighter and made its first flight on May 6, 1941. The first production model was delivered to the AAF in March 1942, and in April 1943 the Thunderbolt flew its first combat mission--a sweep over Western Europe. Used as both a high-altitude escort fighter and a low-level fighter-bomber, the P-47 quickly gained a reputation for ruggedness. Its sturdy construction and air-cooled radial engine enabled the Thunderbolt to absorb severe battle damage and keep flying. During WW II, the P-47 served in almost every active war theater and in the forces of several Allied nations. By the end of WW II, more than 15,600 Thunderbolts had been built.

If I remember my history some P-47s were sold to Central American countries after WWII. In 1969 Honduras went to war with El Salvador. while there were economic and political reasons it was during preliminary World Cup games that the Honduran Flag and National Anthem were INSULTED! War was declared and the "Jugs" were again used in war! Link:http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/sierra/soccer1969.htm

26 posted on 07/02/2005 6:19:48 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: The Other Harry
I seem to like tail-draggers.

The "Wilga" was an excellent tail dragger for it could lift off in less than 300', had compressed air tanks to inject air into the engine to alleviate the issues of depending on a battery for starting.

27 posted on 07/02/2005 6:21:05 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: midwestmidnight
I've always been partial to the A-12/SR-71 though.

Have you experienced the approach decent from 60,000' in an SR-71?

28 posted on 07/02/2005 6:24:08 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: The Other Harry
The finest airplane ever made....

Image hosted by Photobucket.com

29 posted on 07/02/2005 6:28:26 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (Confucius say: Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall.)
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To: My2Cents
Always liked the look of the Corsair.

Ecstatically, it can't be beat!

30 posted on 07/02/2005 6:29:03 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: The Other Harry
It had so much torque that it would just about twist itself right off the runway when you were trying to take off. "Right rudder" was not enough. You had to lean on the stick in a big way.

Half power on take off always until enough airspeed is obtained to achieve rudder control.

31 posted on 07/02/2005 6:32:04 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: ex-Texan

I love planes and jets but Ive never been in either. I was on a chopper once but that was a life flight to UofM hospital so I don't remember that much. I don't think I could be a pilot because I'm nearly blind in my right eye.


32 posted on 07/02/2005 6:49:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: ex-Texan
He flew in the Reno Air Races and died when another plane clipped his wing tip.

Curious - who? The last ones who clipped and crashed were T6s. I don't remember P51s that clipped and crashed. My memory may not go back that far...

Feel free to answer via FReepmail if you prefer.

33 posted on 07/02/2005 6:54:31 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (Confucius say: Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall.)
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To: Dashing Dasher

That looks hot. I'll take one. ;)


34 posted on 07/02/2005 7:29:17 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: The Other Harry

You have good taste.


35 posted on 07/02/2005 7:45:23 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (Confucius say: Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall.)
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To: The Other Harry
I flew in a DC3 via American Airlines from Kansas City to St. Louis in the summer of '48. I agree that it is probably one of the two or three best designs of aircraft ever.

The J-3 was actually designed by William Taylor of Taylorcraft fame who sold it to Piper. I once had an instructor prove that the Cub will fly backward if you have a headwind of 40 plus MPH. With a stall speed of 35, you can have an negative ground speed.

Personally, the one I never flew in that I most admire is Canadian: The De Haviland Beaver aka the L-20. On floats, it is said that regardless of the load, if the tops of the floats are not submerged, it will come off the water and fly.

36 posted on 07/02/2005 7:53:07 PM PDT by AntiBurr ("Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam " with apologies to Cato)
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To: The Other Harry

Re:DC-3

The Gooney Bird Poem

"Tribute to the DC-3"
was written by Oscar Brand.
Our thanks to the folks from the
"Yankee Air Force "
who contacted Mr. Brand and he said
that he had indeed written the poem.


THE GOONEY BIRD
In '51 they tried to ground the noble DC-3,
And so some lawyers brought the case before the CAB,
The Board examined all the facts behind their great oak portal,
And then pronounced these simple words, "The Gooney Bird's immortal."

(chorus)

THEY PATCH HER UP WITH MASKING TAPE,
WITH PAPER CLIPS AND STRINGS,
AND STILL SHE FLIES, SHE NEVER DIES..
METHUSELAH WITH WINGS.

The Army toasts their SkyTrain now in lousy scotch and soda,
The Tommies raise their tankards high to cheer the old Dakota,
Some claim the C-47's best, or the gallant R4D,
Forget the claim, they're all the same, the noble DC-3.

(chorus)

Douglas built the ship to last, but nobody quite expected
The crazy heap would fly and fly no matter how they wrecked it.
While nations fall and men retire and jets get obsolete,
The Gooney Bird flies on and on, at 11,000 feet.

(chorus)

No matter what they do to her, The Gooney Bird still flies,
One crippled plane was fitted out with one wing half the size,
She hunched her shoulders, then took off, and I know this makes us laugh
One wing askew, and yet she flew ... The DC-2 and a half.

(chorus)

She had her faults, but after all, who's perfect in this sphere?
Her heating system was a gem, we loved her for her gear.
Of course, her windows leaked a bit when the rain came pouring down,
She'd keep you warm, but in a storm it's possible you'd drown.

(chorus)

Well now she flies the feeder routes and carries mail and freight,
She's just an airborne office or a flying twelve ton crate,

(chorus)

THEY PATCH HER UP WITH MASKING TAPE,
WITH PAPER CLIPS AND STRINGS,
AND STILL SHE FLIES, SHE NEVER DIES..
METHUSELAH WITH WINGS.

This page, and its contents are Copyright ©1995-2005, The DC3 Aviation Museum,
All Rights Reserved, and are protected by U.S. and International Law.


37 posted on 07/02/2005 7:56:13 PM PDT by AntiBurr ("Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam " with apologies to Cato)
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To: The Other Harry

This thread reminded me of an old USAF song...

Make Me Operations

Don't give me a P-38 with props that counter-rotate
They'll loop, roll and spin but they'll soon auger in
Don't give me a P-38!

CHORUS: Just make me Operations
Way out on some lonely atoll
For I am too young to die
I just want to go home.*

Don't give me a P-39 with an engine that's mounted behind
It will tumble and roll and dig a big hole
Don't give me a P-39.

Don't give me an old Thunderbolt. It gave many pilots a jolt
It looks like a jug and it flies like a tug
Don't give me an old Thunderbolt!

Don't give me a Peter Four Oh, a hell of an airplane, I know
A ground loopin' bastard. You're sure to get plastered
Don't give me a Peter Four Oh.

Don't give me a P-51, it was all right for fighting the hun
But with coolant tank dry. you'll run out of sky
Don't give me a P-51.

Don't give me a P-61, for night flying is no fun
They say it's a lark. but I'm scared of the dark
Don't give me a P-61.


38 posted on 07/02/2005 8:20:19 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (Confucius say: Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall.)
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To: The Other Harry

"What was term that was used for them? "Devils from the sky"? "

Forked Tail Devils


39 posted on 07/02/2005 9:04:49 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Dashing Dasher

But wait... there's more...



Don't give me an F-82; that monster from out of the blue
You won't understand just who's in command
Don't give me an F-82


Don't five me an old Shooting Star; she goes, but not very far
She'll rumble and spout, and will surely flame out
Don't give me an old Shooting Star


Don't give me an F-84, she's just a ground loving whore
She'll whine & she'll wheeze; and make straight for the trees
Don't give me an F-84



Don't give me an 86D, with rockets, radar, and AB
She's fast, I don't care; she blows up in mid-air
Don't give me an 86D


Don't give me a One-Double-Oh to fight against friendly or foe
That old Sabre dance made me crap in my pants
Don't give me a One-Double-Oh



Don't give me McDonnell's Voodoo; there's nothing that she will not do
She'll really pitch up, she'll make you throw up
Don't give me McDonnell's Voodoo



Don't give me an F-104; she's faster than lightning fer shore
But after one pass there's no bullets, no gas
Don't give me an F-104


Don't give me an F-105, 'cause I like being alive
She's great for attack, she soaks up mach-mach flak
Don't give me an F-105



Don't give me an old F-4C, with a navigator flying with me
Her dihedral's neat, but she's got a back seat
Don't give me an old F-4C


40 posted on 07/02/2005 9:23:22 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (Confucius say: Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall.)
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To: Dashing Dasher
The planes at this house.
41 posted on 07/02/2005 10:13:56 PM PDT by Gazoo
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To: Gazoo

OH MY!!!

I've seen the aerial view of the house before - this is amazing!

Thanks for digging it up for me!


42 posted on 07/02/2005 10:18:44 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (Confucius say: Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall.)
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To: The Other Harry

WWII

Prettiest: P-51 Mustang/Supermarine Spitfire: Tie

Hardest Working: Douglas C-47

Largest Number Produced: B-24

I still have a warm place in my heart for the C-130E, RF-101 Voodoo, F-4 Phantom and F-105 Thud.

Jack.


43 posted on 07/03/2005 12:41:13 AM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: Lokibob

There are two planes in the AF Inventory that just cannot be killed and never seem to die.

The BUFF: "When You want something over 40... And experienced!"

And the A-10 Warthog: The Grunts' Best Friend.

Jack.


44 posted on 07/03/2005 12:48:22 AM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: The Other Harry
I don't know about the best, but I always thought this was about the coolest looking passenger plane ever made. I'd fly on one tomorrow if it were still possible.


45 posted on 07/03/2005 12:57:32 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
Here's one I wish had been built.


46 posted on 07/03/2005 12:58:32 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: The Other Harry; Paleo Conservative; COEXERJ145

Aviation ping.


47 posted on 07/03/2005 1:12:19 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Jack Deth
I had forgotten about the voodoo.

A couple of years ago (lol, it has to be 6 or more now) I had the opportunity to tour the C-130 J model the day it went from "experimental" to an actual C-130 type. The thing had a glass cockpit, weighed the load as it came aboard, 4- 6 bladed props with de-tuned Allison engines. The engines were so powerful that if fully tuned, they would have turned the wings to pretzels.

Here we were, out in the middle of the Utah desert, doing some short field testing of the plane, when word came from the factory that it had been accepted as an operational aircraft. The crew brought out the OD paint, and covered the word "EXPERMINTAL" over the cabin door. At that time, McDonald Douglas had not sold even one of them (J Model).
48 posted on 07/03/2005 3:51:46 AM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: The Other Harry

DH98 Mosquito


49 posted on 07/03/2005 3:56:27 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Dashing Dasher

50 posted on 07/03/2005 10:07:43 AM PDT by Gazoo
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