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This Day in History|July 3rd, 1863 - Pickett leads his infamous charge at Gettysburg
The History Channel ^ | July 3rd, 2005 | The History Channel

Posted on 07/03/2005 6:53:20 AM PDT by timpad

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To: Dawgreg

well the group that is in right now seems to be letting the fighting be done by the fighters.

From personal experience, what they what done in DC is given to the Generals and then they are told to get it done by whatever means they need to accomplish it. As it should be.


81 posted on 07/04/2005 7:01:49 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Sleep in peace, comrades dear...)
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Nice to find this thread. I just day-tripped to Gettysburg yesterday, and I'm terribly sorry that I didn't stay overnight and continue today. I doubt that I would've found a room- the place was a zoo and pretty much fully booked up, but I am confident that I could have found something within a half-hour drive.

It was my second time there, and I still haven't seen everything that I wanted to see. There was some kind of big re-enactment of Pickett's Charge, but it didn't take place on the orginial ground. There is a 're-enactment area' somewhere nearby that I haven't found yet.


82 posted on 07/04/2005 7:13:32 AM PDT by Riley (STOP CASTING POROSITY!!)
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To: MikeinIraq

I sure hope so Mike and I have a feeling they are. I don't want some idiotic Robert MacNamara type coming back years later for atonement from the vets and the American people over the mistakes made in Viet Nam. God bless all those boys who had to fight 2 enemies......the Viet Cong AND WDC!


83 posted on 07/04/2005 7:24:29 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Dawgreg

I dont think that will happen either....


84 posted on 07/04/2005 7:26:28 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Sleep in peace, comrades dear...)
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To: Riley

Riley, one day I am determined to go to Gettysburg and one day I will.......*~*.


85 posted on 07/04/2005 7:50:43 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: MikeinIraq
All were heroes in their respective rights, but the guy who won the battle was Gen. John Buford. Had he not held the heights until Gen. Reynolds showed up on 1 July, the battle would have turned out very differently...

Indeed. And had not Buford's cavalry had repeating rifles, they wouldn't have been able to hold off that many confederates with only a couple of brigades. As usual, the Civil War anticipated by 50 years the lessons learned by the Europeans in WWI.

86 posted on 07/04/2005 7:58:55 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: timpad
I was always struck by the change that came over Lee at Gettysburg. He had constantly admonished his officers not to engage the enemy on ground not of their choosing in that region.

Lee was apparently prone to letting his ambitions overrule his good sense at times, and Gettysburg was one of them.

87 posted on 07/04/2005 8:05:32 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: MikeinIraq
But I can clearly see how the South would see it was an aggressive war, but they DID fire first, and, ironically enough, last for that matter in Texas :)

IMO, war between North and South was inevitable, even had the secession been allowed. The South needed/wanted to expand slavery westward and northward, and the North wanted to prevent its spread. This was the underlying pressure for the Sectional Crises, not to mention the secessions themselves.

The antagonism would probably only have escalated had the Confederacy succeeded in becoming its own country, though the war itself would probably have started in the West. The real joker in the deck would have been Britain: would they have been willing to openly support an unambiguously independent South? Probably so, and the North couldn't allow that, for a number of reasons.

The North had a lot more at stake than just "preserving the Union."

88 posted on 07/04/2005 8:14:33 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: sauropod

Just drop it, will ya?


89 posted on 07/04/2005 8:16:52 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Dawgreg
...then I suggest you find another thread more to your liking.

Under advisement....

90 posted on 07/04/2005 8:21:33 AM PDT by dakine
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To: r9etb

yes it did....

many MILLIONS died in Europe learning what the Americans did in 1863....


91 posted on 07/04/2005 8:29:12 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Sleep in peace, comrades dear...)
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To: r9etb

It was definitely an interesting time....

wholly preventable I believe, but probably inevitable....


92 posted on 07/04/2005 8:30:12 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Sleep in peace, comrades dear...)
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To: dakine

What? No "duly noted"? *~*


93 posted on 07/04/2005 8:34:40 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: r9etb

I've been trying to.


94 posted on 07/04/2005 10:19:40 AM PDT by sauropod (Polite political action is about as useful as a miniskirt in a convent -- Claire Wolfe)
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To: RightWhale

I must disagree... Pickett's order were to strike the center of the Union line on Cemetary Ridge, as a soldier he was not afforded any other option. Besides, Lee had failed to succeed on either flank, July 1 and 2.

As he stated to Longstreet when the general argued a frontal assault, "...the enemy is there and that is where I plan to attack him...".


95 posted on 02/16/2007 1:22:02 PM PST by d_dguy
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To: johnny7

May I offer this correction: Ewell failed to seize Culp's Hill.


96 posted on 02/16/2007 1:26:10 PM PST by d_dguy
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To: d_dguy

That was General Dwight Eisenhower's considered opinion.


97 posted on 02/16/2007 1:29:30 PM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: d_dguy

You can offer anything you want...


98 posted on 02/16/2007 2:02:54 PM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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