Carthage: Forgotten

[onja]

That's a pretty cool poem.

[theFIRMbss]

>What does that have to do with this thread?

The photographer
told me that those four models
got into a fight

at the photo shoot
about whether Carthage or
Rome was the most vile.

The girls finally
had a big pillow fight and
ripped their lingerie

before agreeing
to disagree. Rome. Carthage.
It's a hot topic!

[the invisib1e hand]

What does that have to do with this thread?

What doesn't it have to do with this and every other thread?

[ckilmer]

I have heard recently that the cartheginians were caananite and not phoenician. Evidence I've heard given were the caananites practices of child sacrifice corresponded to the Cartheginian practices of child sacrifice. also their gods were very similiar.

[Vicomte13]

Why didn't the French have the right to aid their Indian allies against their English enemy?

And who decides what "rights" are between nations anyway, other than Victory?

[Steelerfan]

Thanks!!!

[onja]

At least they had been a Phoenician colony till Phoenicia fell.

[onja]

The Spanish had made no agreement so they were free to fight while Carthage and Rome had made an agreement between each other. Rome messed up their agreement with Carthage. I was wrong about the Indians though. My apologies.

[ckilmer]

From K. Kris Hirst,
Your Guide to Archaeology.
http://archaeology.about.com/od/cterms/g/canaan.htm
Definition: Canaan is the name of a Bronze Age culture and country in what is now Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, Jordan, and the southern portions of Syria and Lebanon. The area was first occupied about 3300 BC, evidence shows occupation of the vicinity up to 550 BC, including a 300 year period of Egyptian rule. Just to be confusing, the Greeks called the eastern Canaanites Phoenicians and the Romans called the western Canaanites Punic. City states of Phoenicia included Ugarit, Aradus, Tripoli, Batrun, Byblos, Beirut, Sidon, and Tyre.

Also Known As: Palestine, Eretz-Israel, Bilad es-Shem, Djahy; also Phoenicia (Greek), Punic (Roman), Kinahna (Akkadian)

Examples: Archaeological sites include: Tel Beth Shean, Tel Beth Shemesh, Sarepta, Tell es-Sa'idiyeh. Tyre was a Phoenician capital, and colonies included Cadiz (Spain) and Carthage (Tunisia)
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in 589 Solomon's Temple was destroyed by the Babylonians. The reason given by Jeremiah for the destruction of the temple and the exile of the people was that the old Hebrews had abandoned their God and adopted the abominable practices of their canaanite neighbors: ie child sacrifice in the vally of hinnom (not far from Jerusalem.)
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Jeremiah 7:30-32 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society



The Valley of Slaughter
30 " 'The people of Judah have done evil in my eyes, declares the LORD. They have set up their detestable idols in the house that bears my Name and have defiled it. 31 They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind. 32 So beware, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when people will no longer call it Topheth or the Valley of Ben Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter, for they will bury the dead in Topheth until there is no more room.

[shibumi]

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[ckilmer]

for further reading on the Phoenician Canaanites go to askjeeves
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/c/ca/canaan.htm

[onja]

Thanks. That's really interesting. Never knew Phoenicians and Carthaginians were canaanites.

[wildbill]

I prefer original sources to a description in order to make up my mind.

Is there a video of this fight over Carthage and Rome that I might access?

[shibumi]

Whether or not the video is available, I'm sure there must be some still of the wanton destruction of pillows and lingere in the aftermath.

I, for one, am content with the sure knowledge that the model on the far right prevailed as the defender of Rome and the traditions of modern civilization.

[the invisib1e hand]

thanks...but please don't put me on the carthage ping list. but you can put me on the lingerie ping list. ;)

[theFIRMbss]

>Is there a video of this fight over Carthage and Rome that I might access?

For world history buffs, I've been told SmackDown often re-stages old wars . . .

[Vicomte13]

The US and Russia made an agreement not to build and deploy ABM.
America unilaterally abrogated the agreement because it was in their perceived best interest to do so.
America was in the Roman role here.

So, for that matter, is any person who asks another for a divorce.

It is not nice to break contracts.
And whoever breaks a contract first is the bad guy, I suppose.
Joshua did tell the fellow who stole Canaanite goods to come forward and speak and have no fear.
And then he burnt him and his family.
I gather from this tale that sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

[wildbill]

Re Smackdown and old wars: Sorta like re-enactors, right?

I wouldn't want to go to something that wasn't historically and politically correct.

[ken21]

gracias.

[CobaltBlue]

WiccaPedia is an electrolyte restoring drink for wannabee witches.

LOL!