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1 posted on 08/25/2005 10:11:23 PM PDT by Rurudyne
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A long vanity post is a very bad start. Good luck, though.


2 posted on 08/25/2005 10:13:36 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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is a christian, i have no problem reconciling that god in his omnipotence, omnivoyance, omniscience, created in detail every single building block of matter and energy and set it forth using the big bang as the instrument of the dispersal of that matter and energy into the newly created medium of the ether/universe... i also have no problem in reconciling that evolution in it's infinite complexity is the manifestation of that creation...


3 posted on 08/25/2005 10:15:43 PM PDT by Methadras
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Pretty ambitious first post. I get mixed up in these threads sometimes, and they can get, shall we say, acrimonious. Good luck, I didn't read your post (brevity is the soul of wit BTW)

And just in case...

IBTZ!

4 posted on 08/25/2005 10:16:26 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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And please forgive me for any improprieties or inaccuracies of fact, since I'm a mere "standup philosopher" after all.

huh?

Did you run a bunch of words through a randomizer ?
9 posted on 08/25/2005 10:27:32 PM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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"So instead of seeing their world view exposed, naturalist have redoubled their assertion that they arbitrate what is or is not scientific. It's life or death to them."

In their minds, science is the only form of knowledge. And they have replaced the priests as the new clerisy. Began to do so about the time of Darwin. Professional scientistst were rare before that time, plentiful thereafter. Darwin himself was one of the last "amateurs," even though it was his life's work, he did not make a living from it. Evolution brought poiwer and prestige not only to th naturalist but to every other sort of scientist. They became the dominant force in the universities. War brought them into government. Industry has also thrived on their work. So Darwinism DOES have a powerful symbolic meaning to them.


10 posted on 08/25/2005 10:31:29 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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"Naturalism, like intelligent design, is not scientific."

Yes it is. Science considers only what can be physically observed and can be demonstrated to exist.

If you can't demonstrate that something exists, so that anyone can examine it, it's not a proper subject of science. It belongs in religion, phil, or psych.

11 posted on 08/25/2005 10:35:08 PM PDT by spunkets
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To even call God "intelligent" is human nonsense.

It is reducing the perfect mystery to something both human and imperfect.

Intelligence requires a system of thought, one prone to error and uncertainty, contrary to His omniscience and omnipotence.

ID, in essence, is a statement that the universe represents God's brain, not the product of any such brain, but God's brain itself. You may as well worship Gaia, or for that matter, your favorite book of chemistry and physics equations.


14 posted on 08/25/2005 10:41:44 PM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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You did fine; my post are usually pulled. Your topic is well within the norms for fc (Freeper correctness) acceptance.
15 posted on 08/25/2005 10:43:04 PM PDT by kublia khan (absolute war brings total victory)
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Excellent post. I have tried in my mind to simplify the issue as follows;

The Theory of Evolution is a theory and as such may or may not be true. But, this theory says nothing about the start of life and does not contradict the concept of Intelligent Design.

The concept of Intelligent Design (first conceived by St Augustine) contains nothing that contradicts the Theory of Evolution.

The concepts of Creationism and Naturalism as regards this planet both have a time problem in my opinion, the Earth is too old for the former and too young for the latter.

Gonna bookmark this one to follow the bloody fray.

16 posted on 08/25/2005 10:45:11 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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I like it. By my rights, you're welcome to post these ideas for discussion. I agree that there is at least as much proof of some degree of intelligent design as there is of spontaneous generation of life, and that neither case can be proven (without color of prior acceptance of a belief system which describes the events, of course), with information currently available. For example, how could it be possible to make a babe like Jessica Alba without divine intervention?


29 posted on 08/25/2005 11:16:02 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Hey Senator! Leave those kids alone!)
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...what intelligent design is and what its scientific merits are.

ID is creationism-by-deception and its scientific merits are none. Well, that was easy enough!

33 posted on 08/25/2005 11:41:06 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick)
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Gerald Schroeder, The Science Of God
36 posted on 08/25/2005 11:52:15 PM PDT by onedoug
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bump for a maybe reply point


40 posted on 08/26/2005 12:08:25 AM PDT by tophat9000
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Great first post.
I was hanging on every word.
Please write many more just like it. The longer the better.
Several a day would be great.
We get bored around here otherwise.

And to think that I lurked for over a year before I even dared post and have never done a vanity.

43 posted on 08/26/2005 12:47:16 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (OUT OF ORDER)
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Bookmark for later.


44 posted on 08/26/2005 12:56:51 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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bttt


45 posted on 08/26/2005 1:55:37 AM PDT by Marauder (You can't stop sheep-killing predators by putting more restrictions on the sheep.)
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"You lost me at 'Hello', you lost me at 'hello'"....


46 posted on 08/26/2005 3:13:24 AM PDT by codyjacksmom (I've gone out to find myself... if I get back before I return, please keep me here!!!)
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Ping for completeness sake.


47 posted on 08/26/2005 3:22:23 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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The problem with philosophy is that it tends to be based pretty much entirely on human intuitions about what's logical and reasonable and makes sense. But if there's one thing that we learn from actually doing science it's that nature doesn't necessarily confirm to those intuitions. It's unlikely that any philosopher would have ever thought up anything as exotic as quantum mechanics because it runs so contrary to human common sense.

Only by leaving the armchair from time to time and going into the lab or getting out into the field is our thinking kept honest. The answers to the questions you're addressing are more likely to found in the journals of biochemistry or paelentology than they are in any ancient Greek text.

48 posted on 08/26/2005 5:27:39 AM PDT by moatilliatta
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forgive me for any improprieties or inaccuracies of fact

Philosophers have to have the facts, although it is possible for useful results to come from outright fantasy.

78 posted on 08/28/2005 9:26:54 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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