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Survival Preparedness
09/04/05 | Me

Posted on 09/04/2005 8:42:18 AM PDT by tsmith130

I can't think of a better place with better people to start a discussion on recommendations for survival preparedness. A list of items that people here find necessary to survive during a disaster. As we've all seen this is our personal responsibility. I'm sure there are sites all over the internet with this information but Freepers are the best...so have at it.


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1 posted on 09/04/2005 8:42:18 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: tsmith130

First item: A shotgun.


2 posted on 09/04/2005 8:43:41 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: Leapfrog

Be specific....I'm a gun novice.


3 posted on 09/04/2005 8:44:09 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: tsmith130

Winchester Model 1300, Defender 8-shot (12ga)

4 posted on 09/04/2005 8:49:24 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: tsmith130

Seems like it would be a good idea to unearth some Y2K prep info.


5 posted on 09/04/2005 8:49:25 AM PDT by Maigret
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To: tsmith130; All; sergey1973; jb6; GarySpFc

http://www.areyouprepared.com

http://www.quakekare.com

http://www.ready.gov/make_a_kit.html

http://www.urbansurvivaltools.com

http://www.first-aid-product.com/pgSurvival.htm

thank you all


6 posted on 09/04/2005 8:51:01 AM PDT by anonymoussierra (Deus Meus, Credo in Te, Domine Iesu, Noverim Me,Iesu Dulcissime, Redemptor)
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To: anonymoussierra

Links are much appreciated. Thank you anonymoussierra!


7 posted on 09/04/2005 8:52:36 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: tsmith130
Remington model 870 with short barrel, 50 -100 rounds.
72 hours supply of food/water
Gloves
Flashlight
Radio
Batteries for both
Folding shovel
Well equipped First aid kit
blanket
Waterproof matches
8 posted on 09/04/2005 8:52:55 AM PDT by afnamvet
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To: tsmith130

Towel. Never go anywhere without your towel.


9 posted on 09/04/2005 8:53:59 AM PDT by DeeOhGee (It's not what you know, it's what people THINK you know.)
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To: tsmith130; All

Does anyone know where I can purchase some good tasting MRE's? Thank in advance.


10 posted on 09/04/2005 8:54:17 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: DeeOhGee

D'Oh! I forgot about the towel. LOL!


11 posted on 09/04/2005 8:56:07 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: tsmith130; Utah Girl

After 911, there were a number of good threads on food and housefold preparedness posted by UtahGirl.


12 posted on 09/04/2005 8:56:28 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Thanks for that info....it's good to know that. I'll check it out.


13 posted on 09/04/2005 8:57:44 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: tsmith130

On radios - not only do you need an AM/FM radio that is crank/solar powered, you need a handheld CB radio and a handheld FRS/GMRS radio. New Orleans has proven (at least to me and many others) that communications is almost as critical as food.


14 posted on 09/04/2005 9:00:55 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: tsmith130; Ancesthntr; archy; Badray; B4Ranch; Blood of Tyrants; CodeToad; coloradan; ...
This is my own tip, and I plan to put this together in the next few weeks.

Use a small trailer as your emergency escape assistant. Keep in in your garage. Keep all of your camping and survival gear on it all of the time. This way, you will not have to scramble to assemble your survival gear, it will already be assembled in one place, ready to go.

Most critically, keep four or more 5 gallon jerry cans of gasoline on the trailer. These will give you 400 extra miles of evacuation range, before you need to stop for gasoline. This is super critical, because all of the gas stations within 400 miles of your home will be totally swamped with out of gas evacuees. If you have no extra gas, this is where you will be forced to stop and get into a line which may last for hours and hours, at best. At worst, the gas stations will be empty, and your vehicle may be trapped in a gridlock of out of gas cars. These gas stations will be insane bedlams. You may get carjacked, robbed etc while you are trapped, searching for gasoline.

If you have an extra 400 miles worth of gasoline in your trailer, you can refill on the side of the highway, and just keep on going until you are out of the emergency evacuation zone. You will be among the first to reach the unaffected areas, where their will be motel rooms at normal prices, supermarkets, etc.

And in a total national SHTF scenario, the extra fuel range will permit you to reach a safe haven, far from the chaos and violence of the zone of out of gas cars.

(Of course, you will need a plan to use the stored fuel in the cans on a regular basis, to keep it fresh.)


15 posted on 09/04/2005 9:08:19 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Leapfrog

Thats my shotgun, the cops here in Houston carry these in their cars.


16 posted on 09/04/2005 9:09:51 AM PDT by seeker41
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To: tsmith130

Batteries and water seem to be the first things people wished they had. Food and ammo were close behind. Baby diapers and medicine were also quite frequently mentioned.


17 posted on 09/04/2005 9:14:36 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: seeker41

I have one too. Cheap, well made, simple operation/assembly.

An overall superb weapon.


18 posted on 09/04/2005 9:14:58 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: afnamvet

Ditto on that list. Ad one transistor radio to the stack.


19 posted on 09/04/2005 9:17:39 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: Leapfrog
You know why I love it so much, I'm slender 5'4" female and it makes me look quite menacing when necessary;)LOL

Thats not the only reason, it is a nice simple 8 loader that doesn't require alot of prep work to blow a bad guy away.

20 posted on 09/04/2005 9:20:57 AM PDT by seeker41
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To: afnamvet

Nice list but you forgot one thing.

Since you probably have it in your pocket you forgot to mention your Swiss Army knife. The one that includes the saw blade. Along with the multi tools that little saw will go through brass and mild steel locks.


21 posted on 09/04/2005 9:23:06 AM PDT by PeteB570
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To: proudofthesouth

"Does anyone know where I can purchase some good tasting MRE's? Thank in advance."

don't worry about that, buy some "herbes fines" and tabasco sauce, maybe some italian seasoning, and experiment with them and the MREs beforehand, then you'll know what to do.


22 posted on 09/04/2005 9:24:33 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Travis McGee

Get a copy of the State Emergency Evacuation plan and know the contents. Plan to evac on your own good sense early. Do a google on NEO Packets and follow the guidelines that it talks about. Those are some suggestions you wish to add Travis.


23 posted on 09/04/2005 9:26:59 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Travis McGee

(Of course, you will need a plan to use the stored fuel in the cans on a regular basis, to keep it fresh.)


Todays gasoline that is stored needs to be used every 60 days at a maximum.


24 posted on 09/04/2005 9:33:55 AM PDT by B4Ranch (The New World Odor is UN-American)
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To: tsmith130

thank you good friend"tsmith130"be strong O.K.


25 posted on 09/04/2005 9:38:08 AM PDT by anonymoussierra (Deus Meus, Credo in Te, Domine Iesu, Noverim Me,Iesu Dulcissime, Redemptor)
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To: shuckmaster; All

When Hurricane Hugo came a hundred miles inland and trashed Shaw AFB, I snagged the battery out of my car, wrapped a little speaker wire around the battery terminals, and attached the ends to the back-up light fixture I stole from the car's trunk, and had electric light in my living room. My neighbors asked how I got my lights on, I showed them, and lights started popping up all over the housing area... Three days later, we got our power back, and I put everything back the way it was.

heavier wire would have let me use more lamps, but what we had was good enough for a D&D game after a day's disaster relief work.

I now keep a spare battery in the house, with wire and such, and I have 3 different APC UPS systems; 1100VA, 700VA, and 300VA. I've also got a 5W solar panel from Harbor Freight to recharge batteries if needed. (I've got GEL-CELL batteries in both cars, now, too.) My computer now is a laptop, and I have quite a bit of info on CD-rom, and textfiles on the computer for later reference. I can build a lathe from pipe parts, for example, if I need one. I've got a walking-beam bandsaw from an article in Fine Woodworking. It can be hand-cranked, or motorized.

We also keep quite a bit of canned food, and 2-liter soda bottles of water, as well.

It gets pretty cold here, in winter, so we have a kerosine heater, 20 gallons of K-1 in 5-gal. containers, etc. Haven't needed that yet, but it could happen, so we are prepared for it.

I like the Mossberg 500, but if I could afford it, I'd go for a Remington 870... maybe after I finish the college thing...

For medications you need regularly, build up a surplus. I've got terrible allergies, and asthma, so when conditions are good, and I don't need my daily meds, I don't take them. I'm working on building up a year's supply, but aren't anywhere near there, yet. I can get by on benadryl, which is OTC and cheap, if you buy the store brand, so we keep quite a bit of that around. Useful for bee & wasp stings, too. Get the elixer, and you can apply it topically, too.

If you want some pointers on things that might be useful, and you like to read Science Fiction, read Niven and Pournelle's "Footfall" and "Lucifer's Hammer" for some hints.

You might also check out some of the reenactor groups. Some of them practice old-tech that can come in handy in a long-term or short-term disaster.


26 posted on 09/04/2005 9:43:13 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Old Student
You mean that there are people that DON'T have Tabasco around ALL THE TIME? Lately I like the Chipotle version a lot.

A cousin of mine liked the Garlic flavored version and couldn't find it in his Georgia home town. I had to buy him 6 large bottles of it and UPS it to him. It was an emergency!

I've also got the large bottles of Italian herbs (from Costco) and plenty of other herbs. Lavender pepper is good. Also cumin and cinnamon and maybe some curry paste.

Nice to see the Winchester Defenders here. I bought one of those in LA after a break in attempt at my loft. Kept it loaded in a built in hiding place. Bought another one for my Dad too. Got em on sale at Big 5 Sporting Goods for $139. each.
27 posted on 09/04/2005 9:49:54 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: Travis McGee

good advice.
I'm considering making a small boat.
say, 12' long by 5' wide. shallow draft.
out of 2" insulating foam, plywood skeleton, and fiberglas shell. "unsinkable" pirogue, basically.


28 posted on 09/04/2005 9:51:50 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Travis McGee
As you do ...... I have a small utility trailer that I use the same toyota axels and wheel and lug patters as an old 85 Toyota 4x4 I bought last year to store as my "Oh Damn Ride" . It allows me to use the wheels as spare if I have to abandon the trailer etc. As to my little 4 banger 22R engine I have converted it to propane.

The propane is something I can leave in the two 14x40 Manchester tanks fitted on the vehicle and 3 spare 14x40's on the trailer without it going bad or varnishing up the engine etc etc .....

I converted the 4 speed manual tranny to an automatic as ideling in traffic and moving slow if caught in traffic is easier on a auto tranny with a cooler. Added electric boost fans on the tranny, oil and radiator makes such more reliable. I have a system that allows me to use the propane on the trailer first and the vehicle last.

My original mogas tank on the truck was removed and is now replaced with a 30 gallon water tank. The truck was an old beater I stripped down to bare metal and had the entire frame and body line-X'd. The interior has old corvette reclining seats that will be comfy to sleep or sit in for long durations. The entire cab is lined with dynamat insulation and rubber floor covering, stainless door panels cust custom for a no frills easy ride.

The dash was removed and gutted for new gages that I wanted. All wiring was repaired or replaced and waterproofed to the best of my ability . I added double door seal weather stripping and made it a pretty quiet little ride. Plans and work ongoing but that's just my last ditch plan as I believe my home is a primary shelter, the vehicle secondary with a ruck afoot is last.....

I have an old armored Suburban 4x4 I got a few years ago at a goobermint auction. It's trashed mechanically but the body is sound, It'll need new engine tranny , pretty much a complete drivetrain..... all the glass is OK with no delamination or other danage so I figure that's my next project.

Interior was clean but new carpet, seat covers, and painting some interior trim is needed. Frame off when I can find a way to lift that massively heavy body off the frame. Gonna have to bubba engineer that one carefully.....

29 posted on 09/04/2005 9:52:00 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Damn, just Damn.

Pictures please. Of the trucks of course.


30 posted on 09/04/2005 9:57:59 AM PDT by PeteB570
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To: PeteB570

Got one in my pocket and have for years.


31 posted on 09/04/2005 10:03:11 AM PDT by afnamvet
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To: Travis McGee
These will give you 400 extra miles of evacuation range

Good advice. The only thing I would add is to have plenty of maps and avoid the interstates.

The sheeple will flock to the interstates, creating massive traffic jams. The highways will likely be less crowded. Also, in the event of car trouble, I'd rather be stranded in small-town America rather than alongside the interstate in a SHTF situation.

32 posted on 09/04/2005 10:03:19 AM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Travis McGee

Great advice, Travis. We just acquired a 6'x12' stakebed bumper-pull trainer that will serve in the capacity that you described. We're alerady in a fairly 'safe' area - as safe as anyplace is these days - but that doesn't excuse a lack of preparedness.

Since we use the trailer for other things - hay hauling, etc. - we've modularized the stuff we'll pile on, so load and go can be accomplished very quickly. As family loadmaster, it's my job to get it stacked, packed and ready to go in less than 10 minutes.


33 posted on 09/04/2005 10:08:11 AM PDT by Noumenon (Activist judges - out of touch, out of tune, but not out of reach.)
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To: PeteB570

Just a Toy YOT with a small steel mesh trailer that I use a little john boat as a cover on. Added a old construction gang box in the trailer for gear. The mesh will drain water or vent leaky propane (if any) safely.

Later I'd like to make the truck a real flat bed vs the bubba engineered truck bed I have now. I can add lots of storage . Problem now is weight and suspension upgrades are planned soon along with lightning the body with a custom flatbed. The current bed protects the bottles from viewing unless ya look down an inside. Propane was chose for it's storage longevity, wide availability these days and it ability to be used all the way down to 40C aka colder than a well diggers ass if need be ! Or in temps hotter than I can survive so it was a natural choice for "my needs".......

It's a hobby.......


34 posted on 09/04/2005 10:11:06 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Fifteen years ago I met a man in NOLA with a tri wheel attachment that he built for his flatbottomed boat. Attach a piece of rope as a handle and off you go on dry land to the next submerged area.

I asked about it and he explained that the city would not flood evenly and this would permit him to travel from wet land to dry land to wet land easily.

This would permit him to get out of the city or travel through it helping other family members during a flood.

I'll bet he is a hero today.


35 posted on 09/04/2005 10:17:40 AM PDT by B4Ranch (The New World Odor is UN-American)
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To: Noumenon
I've been taking a bunch of courses from FEMA. They're available at no cost to the public and upon completion they send you a nice certificate suitable for framing.

The course list is Here.

I recommend the ones of Family Disaster Preparedness and Itroduction to Incident Command first.It's nice to know the protocols that rescue workers will be following.

Sounds like I need to scare up an old trailer...

L

36 posted on 09/04/2005 10:17:43 AM PDT by Lurker (Reality cannot be changed by wishful thinking, good intentions, or legislation.)
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To: B4Ranch

Hope he made it.... Our is on the trailer hinged as a cover with a locking bar/loop style piano hinge. I can pull it our and remove the boat easily and quickly if need be. We filled the seat boxes etc with foam. The addition of wheels as ya describe may be a futire project. Great idea. Thanks for sharing it.....


37 posted on 09/04/2005 10:23:00 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Travis McGee
We've added a couple of FRS/GMRS radios as well as a hand-held Marine Band radios.

I like the Marine Band idea because it's unlikely many folks will be using Channel 82 on the International bands. It also has all the NOAA weather channels built in, so weather updates and Emergency Alerts are available at the touch of a button.

The FRS with the sub-channels on it are great for short range comm.

Of course, spare batteries are a must and rotate them often. FIFO is your friend.

A couple of those small single burner Coleman propane or white gas stoves are handy to have around as well.

Don't forget latex gloves, or nitrile if you have a latex allergy. I get mine at Cosco. 10 bucks for 1500 of them. They have a myriad of around the house uses and there's a big wad of them stuffed into my CERT gear.

If you have it available in your area, I highly recommend CERT training. Not only will it enable you to help out your neighbors in the event of a disaster, but you'll meet all kinds of interesting people who are good to know if the SHTF.

L

38 posted on 09/04/2005 10:26:42 AM PDT by Lurker (Reality cannot be changed by wishful thinking, good intentions, or legislation.)
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To: tsmith130

Excellent thread idea. So many people have asked about starting a BOB (bug-out-bag), but responses get lost in the five-thousand-post threads. Kudos to you for putting this info in one easily accessible place.


39 posted on 09/04/2005 10:30:56 AM PDT by shezza (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: anonymoussierra

Cool links. Thanks!


40 posted on 09/04/2005 10:43:23 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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To: garyhope

"You mean that there are people that DON'T have Tabasco around ALL THE TIME?"

Well, I don't really like tabasco, but some MREs truely demand it.

Plain old ketchup is good to have, also, and I've developed a taste for curry ketchup, something I first ran into in Germany. My commisary stocks it, but I don't know if anyone else does. Try it, if you can, you'll probably like it.


41 posted on 09/04/2005 10:47:22 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: tsmith130
Crosslinking threads:

What's in your ready bag

42 posted on 09/04/2005 11:34:52 AM PDT by shezza (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: tsmith130
Crosslinking threads:

Survival Preparedness

43 posted on 09/04/2005 11:35:54 AM PDT by shezza (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: shezza; All

some tips on getting from point a to b
will add my 2c later
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=154545


44 posted on 09/04/2005 12:25:31 PM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: Travis McGee
Bookmark

Personal responsibility BTTT!

45 posted on 09/04/2005 12:40:28 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: anonymoussierra

Bump for later - Thanks!


46 posted on 09/04/2005 1:21:23 PM PDT by GoodWithBarbarians JustForKaos (HEADLINE:Mayor forgets to tie shoelaces:"Must be Bush's fault!")
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To: Old Student
For medications you need regularly, build up a surplus

Also, keep a list of your Rx numbers in your evacuation pack and use a national pharmacy. I was able to easily fill a Rx many states away while on vacation just by going to the local Eckerds - I was in their database.

47 posted on 09/04/2005 2:24:57 PM PDT by meowmeow (Meow! Meow!)
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To: tsmith130
American Red Cross preparedness suggestions
48 posted on 09/04/2005 2:26:33 PM PDT by pa_dweller (levy = a tax <__> levee = an embankment for protection from floods)
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To: tsmith130

I found this link on another bulletin board. I love the way it gets you organized to add a few things each week to your 'preparedness' kit.

www.avertdisasters.org/html/72_hour2.html


49 posted on 09/04/2005 2:30:33 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (I don't recognize my own country anymore.)
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To: tsmith130
Prepare a GOOD pack.

(Thats "Get Out Of Dodge" pack.)

50 posted on 09/04/2005 2:36:08 PM PDT by Doomonyou (FR doesn't suffer fools lightly.)
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