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IBM, Red Hat Push Linux in Emerging Markets (March of the penguins ;)
Yahoo ^ | 2005-09-19 | Elizabeth Millard

Posted on 09/21/2005 8:31:19 PM PDT by N3WBI3

IBM (NYSE: IBM - news) and Red Hat (Nasdaq: RHAT - news) have announced a joint initiative aimed at accelerating the development and adoption of Linux-based products in emerging markets like China, India, Russia and Korea.

The two companies will provide software developers with implementation services, expertise and technical resources to help them certify new applications for IBM and Red Hat software.

According to IBM, the program will give developers greater ability to build standards-based products that will not lock customers into proprietary operating environments.

Penguin March

In unveiling the initiative, IBM noted that a shift is occurring in emerging markets, particularly with a greater number of customers asking for technology options based on open standards. As part of the program, IBM will offer 29 new Linux skill-building tutorials on DeveloperWorks, the company's online resource for developers.

Red Hat will provide independent software vendors with copies of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, along with supporting documentation and access to Red Hat Network. The two companies will provide developers with resources and support at IBM Innovation Centers in 15 locations across Asia, North America and Europe.

"Red Hat has established leadership in emerging markets such as China, India, Russia, Korea and Japan and we are excited for this opportunity to work with IBM to take the next steps to enable the global ecosystem of developers," said Tim Yeaton, senior vice president of marketing at Red Hat.

Developing Power

The IBM and Red Hat initiative is indicative of the growing sophistication of developers in emerging countries, said John Challenger, chief executive of outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas.

"When you look at countries like India, you see that there's a strong focus there on ramping up the technical education of its labor force," said Challenger.

"Given the growing strength of Linux, it's not surprising that there would be more efforts toward giving those developers more resources and tools to advance in that area," he added.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: ibm; linux; opensource; redhat
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I was suprised by this because IBM has typically been more a suse organization than a RedHat one. Especially after RedHat yanked support for JFS. But they are two of my favorite companies..
1 posted on 09/21/2005 8:31:25 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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2 posted on 09/21/2005 8:32:30 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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When you look at countries like India, you see that there's a strong focus there on ramping up the technical education of its labor force

Having lost a big project that was outsourced to India last year, it makes me feel real happy {sarcasm} that IBM is helping them "ramp up" it's labor force to take even more projects away from people like me.  Thanks IBM!  Not trying to play devil's advocate here, but can someone explain to me how IBM giving them all this help can be a good thing for us?

3 posted on 09/21/2005 8:45:38 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: N3WBI3

Bump


4 posted on 09/21/2005 8:45:59 PM PDT by Tribune7
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Could it be because Red Hat has a larger presence in those countries than SuSE?


5 posted on 09/21/2005 8:46:09 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: N3WBI3

"Doo Bee Doo Bee Doo." - Beware of the Penguins.


6 posted on 09/21/2005 8:47:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (Flower Mound, TX)
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To: softwarecreator
Its no better or worse than what MS does with their Shanghai and Beijing development centers. The only thing that will make it better is a modern tariff system..
7 posted on 09/21/2005 8:48:01 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: AFreeBird

Maybe, but jfs is something the guys at IBM love, and in many ways is much better that ext3 especially when you're talking about LV management. axing jfs as a condition for support really rubbed many of the UNIX guys at IBM the wrong way


8 posted on 09/21/2005 8:52:20 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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What's all that mean in English?

You're cool and everything, but...

9 posted on 09/21/2005 8:56:29 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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The only thing that will make it better is a modern tariff system

I agree with you on that .. we should all be on the same level playing field.

Its no better or worse than what MS does with their Shanghai and Beijing development centers.

Granted.  But this thread is about (in part) IBM helping "ramp up" India's technology and I'm just curious to see who feels this is a good thing and why.  Let's try to have a discussion without the "but Microsoft ... " whine.  I do understand they do it too and it pi$$es me off.  I'm just trying to see if some people here are so devoted to the spread of Linux that they would be willing to sacrifice US jobs.

10 posted on 09/21/2005 8:57:40 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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It means IBM is giving other companies skill sets to help them get more of our jobs when they get outsourced.

"Yeah, I know Microsoft does it too."  =)

11 posted on 09/21/2005 8:59:03 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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I have a question for ya n3wbi3.  Someone I know has a copy of red Hat 7 on CDs & wants to get rid of it.  I'm thinking of giving it a try.  Is RH7 still usable or would it be so hoplessly out of date that it's not worth the effort?
12 posted on 09/21/2005 9:02:45 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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---Granted. But this thread is about (in part) IBM helping "ramp up" India's technology and I'm just curious to see who feels this is a good thing and why. ---

What is IGM there to do?

Make money.

How does it make money?

By going to where the customers are, and developing new customers.

Where are the new, emerging customers?

India and china.

So is IBM supposed to:

A: Make money

or

B: not make money.


13 posted on 09/21/2005 9:05:03 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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Okay.  That's IBM's purpose, of course.  My question was ... how many feel this is a good thing?
14 posted on 09/21/2005 9:08:33 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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wow thats going back a ways, but you can still get updates for security and functionality though the fedora legacy project http://www.fedoralegacy.org/updates/RH7.3. it might be interesting to use that and then say fedora core4 to see how far Linux has come, aside from that I dont see any real reason.
15 posted on 09/21/2005 9:12:24 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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Okay. That's IBM's purpose, of course. My question was ... how many feel this is a good thing?

Well gee lets see, IBM makes money; IBM uses said money to create and market new products and services. IBM is an American Corporation. IBM still employs a lot of people here in the USA.

China and India are two HUGE markets. Now we can sit out trying to tap those markets, and give the business to the French, or Germans or whomever, or we can go in there and compete.

I take it you think we should sit out of this market. Maybe we should just stop competeing all together. That should really help our economy.

16 posted on 09/21/2005 9:15:52 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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but you can still get updates for security and functionality though the fedora legacy project

GREAT!!  Thanks, as usual, for your help.  What about license requirements.  As you know, I'm not quite up on Linux (yet) and wonder if it would be "legal" to use it.  I probably won't use it much except to experiment with it.  I want to learn how to network Linux.  I have an MS network at home and would love to try to do the same with Linux.  I'm far from an admin guy but it never hurts to try something new.

17 posted on 09/21/2005 9:18:52 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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So that's another one in the "good thing" counter.

Believe me, I work in about 90% Microsoft environments so this doesn't hurt me much at this point.  I'm just curious to know what everyone here thinks about the outsourcing issue that is growing into more of a threat to guys like me every year.

18 posted on 09/21/2005 9:22:11 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: softwarecreator

as opppsed to what...IBM not developing its markets, selling products and services - which ultimately pay off for all its employees, and its stock holders- most of which happen to be American?

Or are you one of the people who believe we should spend money 'at home', and expect the rest of the world to follow the opposite tack and spend money in America?

Protectionism goes both ways - but most people don't like it when the other guy is doing it.


19 posted on 09/21/2005 9:30:37 PM PDT by flashbunny (Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)
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To: softwarecreator
No weirdness with licensing of that distro release... Standard GPL, same with the legacy project..
20 posted on 09/21/2005 9:30:37 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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