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Vikings cruise at center of sex query
Pioneer Press ^ | 10-12-05 | DON SEEHOLZER and SEAN JENSEN

Posted on 10/12/2005 5:55:27 AM PDT by Rakkasan1

The Hennepin County Sheriff's Department is investigating allegations of criminal sexual conduct by Minnesota Vikings players after a boat cruise on Lake Minnetonka turned into an out-of-control party that included lap dances and sexual acts, an attorney for the charter boat company said Tuesday.

Stephen Doyle, a lawyer representing the owners of Al and Alma's, a company that charters cruises on the lake, said cornerback Fred Smoot and another Vikings player, whom he declined to name, reserved a charter for a night-time excursion Thursday.

"From our end, I don't know the name of the other primary person, but we turned over to the police today documents that show signatures or credit cards or whatever was associated with closing this deal," Doyle said.

A woman called Mound police Thursday night to report "possible prostitution, drugs and live sex acts" on the two boats. According to the police report, the woman said she and her brother's girlfriend served as hostesses on the boats.

Doyle said he didn't learn details of what allegedly happened until he met with six of the eight crewmembers Tuesday.

Doyle said about 90 people were on the two boats. According to a Vikings player who spoke on the condition of anonymity, about 15 Vikings players were on a charter as part of what he described as a "team event." The player said he was unaware of any sexual acts and that the cruise lasted less than 90 minutes. Doyle said he believed it to be a tradition for Vikings rookies and first-year players to take their teammates out.

Upon returning to the dock, the player said, there were no police officers present and he did not know of any problems on the boats.

Contacted Tuesday afternoon, Smoot said the allegations are exaggerated.

"It's slanderous," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


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typical Viking behavior. yep. we need to build them a stadium fo sho.
1 posted on 10/12/2005 5:55:30 AM PDT by Rakkasan1
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To: Rakkasan1

NFL Tailhook?


2 posted on 10/12/2005 5:57:06 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Rakkasan1
Contacted Tuesday afternoon, Smoot said the allegations are exaggerated. "It's slanderous," he said.

I wonder if there is a Mrs. Smoot?
3 posted on 10/12/2005 5:58:59 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Ham & Eggs: A day's work for a hen, A lifetime commitment for a pig.)
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To: Rakkasan1

The Vikings were watching too many Capitol One commercials.


4 posted on 10/12/2005 5:59:47 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Rakkasan1

Have the Vikings won a game yet?


5 posted on 10/12/2005 6:00:19 AM PDT by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: Semper Paratus

LOL


6 posted on 10/12/2005 6:01:05 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Rakkasan1
15 Vikings players were on a charter as part of what he described as a "team event."

Well we know this "team event" had one thing in common with what they have been doing on Sundays, it didn't involve actually playing football.

7 posted on 10/12/2005 6:01:10 AM PDT by dfwgator (Flower Mound, TX)
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To: Rakkasan1
Yep, build them a stadium.

Spend millions of taxpayer dollars.

Then let the city give naming rights to some company that pitches in next to nothing. ( well, compared to what the taxpayers chipped in...)

8 posted on 10/12/2005 6:01:36 AM PDT by GOPJ (The enemy is never tired, never sated, never content with yesterday's brutality. -- President Bush)
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To: neodad

Yep, one.


9 posted on 10/12/2005 6:02:39 AM PDT by ShadowDancer (Stupid people make my brain sad.)
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To: Rakkasan1


No surprise here.


10 posted on 10/12/2005 6:04:57 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: Rakkasan1

I would like to hear from the boat owners and crew about what they expected to happen on this "cruise." They could be that naive but did they think that a football team party would be any different on a boat?


11 posted on 10/12/2005 6:05:15 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: Rakkasan1

Isn't this what Vikings DO? Along with pillaging and looting, of course.


12 posted on 10/12/2005 6:11:05 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Rakkasan1

Remember sports builds character.


13 posted on 10/12/2005 6:11:35 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: neodad

1


14 posted on 10/12/2005 6:12:29 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Rakkasan1
Somehow, I have been included on this e-mail list!

Now I know!!!

15 posted on 10/12/2005 6:12:39 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: silverleaf

Take them out into the middle of the lake and set the boat on fire.


16 posted on 10/12/2005 6:13:21 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: Rakkasan1
We had the behavior at the charity fundraiser a few years ago. Then there was Mike Tice's scalping his Superbowl Tickets. Now this. Zygi's finding out what his money bought him, trouble. The Vikings both as a team and an organization have been without adult leadership since Bud Grant left. But as Senile Sid Hartman says, we gotta build them a stadium. Yeah right. My question to his argument is: If building a stadium is such a money making deal, why aren't some of Sids close personal high roller friends getting with the program? After all it's gonna make a pile of money.
17 posted on 10/12/2005 6:14:17 AM PDT by Burf (We'll all be drinkin that free Bubble Up and eatin that Rainbow Stew.)
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To: neodad

Have the Vikings won a game yet?

Yea.......as usual they are on their way to the Super Bowl.
(Just like every year.)


18 posted on 10/12/2005 6:16:39 AM PDT by newcthem (And Atlas Shrugged.)
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To: newcthem

The pre-season prediction was that the Vikings would go 9-7 this year..... 9 arrests and 7 convictions.


19 posted on 10/12/2005 6:22:42 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: Rakkasan1

Is the "picture rule" in effect with these posts? Was just wondering./snicker


20 posted on 10/12/2005 6:32:27 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Rakkasan1

Good thing the Vikings moved to improve their moral standards by dumping Randy Moss!


21 posted on 10/12/2005 6:42:00 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Rakkasan1

Just boys being boys. What's the big deal? I think all professional athletes should have sex in public as often as possible. After all, they're our heroes, right? They're special, right? In fact, I think the halftime shows at the new stadium we're going to pay taxes to build for the Vikings should be all-nude, with sex acts on the 50 yard line. That would increase attendance, especially among the hard-to-reach college boy crowd.

Yeah...that's the ticket!


22 posted on 10/12/2005 6:49:42 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Rakkasan1

Hey, it was a private party on chartered boats. As long as all of the participants were willing adults I don't see why anybody should take issue with this.


23 posted on 10/12/2005 6:59:04 AM PDT by KarinG1
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To: Burf
If building a stadium is such a money making deal, why aren't some of Sids close personal high roller friends getting with the program? After all it's gonna make a pile of money.

Who ever said that? The fact of the matter is that the Vikings, Twins, Lakers, Timberwolves, North Stars and Wild have been playing their games in publicly owned and funded facilities for over fifty years. Has this entire history been an illegitimate scheme by Sid’s friends to fleece the public and pocket a “pile of money”? Was Met Stadium a scam? Was the Metrodome a scam? Is Excel Energy Center a blight? Was it a mistake to build it? Has the average citizen of the area received nothing from this fool’s bargain of stadiums for millionaires?

Unless you take the position that the entire pro sports history of the area has been a waste and a fleecing of tax payers, than you admit some legitimate role for publicly owned and operated sports facilities that allow private sports teams to operate, since every one of their thousands of games have been played in one. So, if you then admit that having the presence of these teams in town over the last 40 years has been beneficial and legitimate, if not downright fantastic, then you are left to answer the question: just how many years to you expect the Twins and Vikings to occupy the Metrodome? Do you consider it adequate? It is now 25 years old and one of the worst facilities in both leagues. Just when do you suppose it will be time to replace it and should the public bear any burden at all for the new facilities?

The fact is that the Twin Cities has gotten by on the cheap for a very long time. The Metrodome cost something like 62 million and has been paid for for 15 years.. Why were the Dome and the Met legitimate, but proposed replacements not? Lastly, why are knee-jerk anti stadium types such obtuse and logically challenged people?

24 posted on 10/12/2005 7:14:27 AM PDT by Minn
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To: Minn
Who ever said that? The fact of the matter is that the Vikings, Twins, Lakers, Timberwolves, North Stars and Wild have been playing their games in publicly owned and funded facilities for over fifty years. Has this entire history been an illegitimate scheme by Sid’s friends to fleece the public and pocket a “pile of money”? (YES) Was Met Stadium a scam?(YES) Was the Metrodome a scam?(YES) Is Excel Energy Center a blight?(YES) Was it a mistake to build it?(YES) Has the average citizen of the area received nothing from this fool’s bargain of stadiums for millionaires?(Increased sales and liquor taxes)
25 posted on 10/12/2005 7:25:40 AM PDT by Fog Nozzle
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To: Rakkasan1

Hey, at least they finally found a way to score...


26 posted on 10/12/2005 7:26:49 AM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel (Theyre digging through all of your files, stealing back your best ideas.)
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To: newcthem

Well, at least they've won more games this year than Super Bowls ever.


27 posted on 10/12/2005 7:29:28 AM PDT by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: KarinG1
As long as all of the participants were willing adults I don't see why anybody should take issue with this.

Well, it seems as though the two females working as hostesses on the boat didn't take kindly to being exposed to it as part of their employment. I don't think that they were willing, just trapped on a boat.

28 posted on 10/12/2005 7:33:48 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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"possible prostitution, drugs and live sex acts"

Whew.... THAT'S a relief.

29 posted on 10/12/2005 7:34:09 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Minn
Why were the Dome and the Met legitimate, but proposed replacements not? Lastly, why are knee-jerk anti stadium types such obtuse and logically challenged people?

Quite a leap you take there. I'm not against building a stadium for sports teams here in town, but the deals our elected officials make suck. We should get revenues proportional to the percentage of public participation, covering all revenues including naming rights, luxury boxes, seat licenses, etc. It should also include all concessions, and a percentage ownership in the team.

30 posted on 10/12/2005 7:34:38 AM PDT by cryptical
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To: newcthem
Yea.......as usual they are on their way to the Super Ty D Bowl.
31 posted on 10/12/2005 7:39:27 AM PDT by DrDavid (Support Global Warming: Surf the Hebrides)
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To: DrDavid
Hey, they could make it to the Super Bowl...
I'm sure Tice will let his tickets go for a small nominal fee...
32 posted on 10/12/2005 8:00:31 AM PDT by akorahil (consider this space filled with yet another witty and irreverent tag line instead of this...)
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To: Rakkasan1
"typical Viking behavior. yep"

For actual vikings I suppose? Anyway, are you are going to blame the whole team for what 15 players did?

Frankly it sounds like a pretty typical bachelors party. I doubt any charges will be filed.
33 posted on 10/12/2005 8:04:14 AM PDT by monday
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We should get revenues proportional to the percentage of public participation, covering all revenues including naming rights, luxury boxes, seat licenses, etc. It should also include all concessions, and a percentage ownership in the team.

By your standard, the construction and operation of Met Stadium, Met Center, Target Center, and Excel were illegitimate giveaways, right? The public should have had their hand in the hot dog vendors’ pockets all this time.

That thing I find so irritating about analyses like this is the ridiculously narrow definition of economic benefit. The presence of a team is a significant asset for millions of people that never visit the stadium or spend a dime to watch a game. The ability to watch a home team, listen to a team, root for a team, discuss a team over the water cooler, read about them, complain about them, and possibly dance in the street in joyous rapture to celebrate their glorious exploits, is a very real economic asset to vast numbers tax paying of people.

It’s not everybody’s cup of tea, but pro sports appeal to a large enough base of tax payers to justify public investment. If you say that’s socialism, then it’s a very benign form of it. Teams are not like most other businesses. They teams are not bolt manufacturers. The benefits they provide extend to a far more broad and vast population that can enjoy the fruits for little or no personal investment if they wish. This is why bolt factories have always built their own buildings while the public has, for the most part, financed sports stadiums. In a perfect world we’d all get what we want, but the fact of the matter is that the NFL is extremely popular. Teams have options. They can and do move. We can be self-righteous if we like. More wisely, we can recognize our market power for what it is and make the necessary investment to protect our asset with its long tradition (sex boats not withstanding), or we can lose it to a higher bidder, as Houston and Baltimore did. Then, when remorse and recriminations set in, we can spend three times more to replace the team than we would have cost to keep it, as Houston and Baltimore did.

34 posted on 10/12/2005 8:18:27 AM PDT by Minn
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To: Rakkasan1
Short of irrefutable proof that traceable money was paid for specific sex acts between indentified individuals, I don't see why this is a matter for the police or the newspapers. Here's what we know: some of the Vikes attended a wild sex party and Fred Smoot is rumored to have been there. Big fumblin' deal.
35 posted on 10/12/2005 8:22:02 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Minn
Talk about a knee-jerk reaction of the logically challenged. Sheesh.

Simply because the taxpayers have funded stadiums previously does not mean that the purse should be perpetually open any and every time one of the teams gets a bee in their bonnet that they need a new facility.

And I do consider the dome adequate. I suspect we'll disagree on the point, but from where I sit, there's a field in the middle of it, and lots of seats around it for spectators to watch from, and it hasn't been condemned as unsafe. That certainly meets the definition of adequate in my book.

Some of us are tired of paying for everyone else's bread and circuses.
36 posted on 10/12/2005 8:23:55 AM PDT by Slainte
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To: Fog Nozzle
Who ever said that? The fact of the matter is that the Vikings, Twins, Lakers, Timberwolves, North Stars and Wild have been playing their games in publicly owned and funded facilities for over fifty years. Has this entire history been an illegitimate scheme by Sid’s friends to fleece the public and pocket a “pile of money”? (YES) Was Met Stadium a scam?(YES) Was the Metrodome a scam?(YES) Is Excel Energy Center a blight?(YES) Was it a mistake to build it?(YES) Has the average citizen of the area received nothing from this fool’s bargain of stadiums for millionaires?(Increased sales and liquor taxes)

There you have it folks, the heart of the anti stadium argument. There was never any such thing as the Curse of the Bambino, The Ice Bowl, The Heidi Game, Wilt The Stilt, The Great One, The Billy Goat Curse, Sweetness, Broadway Joe, The Catch, Lord Stanley’s Cup, The Steele Curtain, The Perfect Season. All of you that thought such history an lore was an integral part of the American culture, and an enhancement to your lives, are nothing more than parties to a rip-off, who’s silly indulgences have forced Fog Nozzle to pay more for Mad Dog 20/20. Let me go out on a limb here Mr./Mrs. Nozzle and predict they won’t need extra chairs for your funeral.

37 posted on 10/12/2005 8:43:05 AM PDT by Minn
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"Hey, it was a private party on chartered boats. As long as all of the participants were willing adults I don't see why anybody should take issue with this."



Perhaps, but these boats had crews, including someone who was the captain, along with service workers, probably young, as is usually the case.

The charters were not booked as sex cruises, I'm sure. How would you feel if, say, your 18-year-old son or daughter was working as a waiter on such a boat?


38 posted on 10/12/2005 9:09:31 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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Hey, at least they finally found a way to score...

But the gals said that they had to punch it in from less than 5. The players had no ability to go deep.

39 posted on 10/12/2005 9:10:22 AM PDT by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: Rakkasan1
I love former Governor Jesse Ventura's response to building the Vikings a new stadium:

"If they can afford to give their players million-dollar signing bonuses, then they can afford to build a stadium."

40 posted on 10/12/2005 9:11:52 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Minn

"just how many years to you expect the Twins and Vikings to occupy the Metrodome? "

Zero years, if a stadium is going to be paid for by taxpayers in any proportion. Let the teams go somewhere else. I do not follow professional sports. I do not wish to pay taxes to pay for professional sports stadia.

They are businesses. Let them pay for themselves. And, while they're at it, let them move those stadia out of town. Downtown stadia are indeed a blight. They create additional traffic in already busy areas and keep people away from real businesses.

Let the teams pay for their own freaking stadia!


41 posted on 10/12/2005 9:13:13 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Minn
That thing I find so irritating about analyses like this is the ridiculously narrow definition of economic benefit. The presence of a team is a significant asset for millions of people that never visit the stadium or spend a dime to watch a game. The ability to watch a home team, listen to a team, root for a team, discuss a team over the water cooler, read about them, complain about them, and possibly dance in the street in joyous rapture to celebrate their glorious exploits, is a very real economic asset to vast numbers tax paying of people.

I see your problem. You're having a hard time differentiating between economic and social activity. There are plenty of studies that dispute the common misconception that publicly funded stadiums are an economic boon to the communities that build them. Google (and an open mind) are your friends.

42 posted on 10/12/2005 9:20:25 AM PDT by cryptical
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To: Minn
Let me go out on a limb here Mr./Mrs. Nozzle and predict they won’t need extra chairs for your funeral.

The Metrodome will do nicely as configured.

43 posted on 10/12/2005 9:29:56 AM PDT by Fog Nozzle
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To: Minn
...and possibly dance in the street in joyous rapture...

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44 posted on 10/12/2005 9:33:07 AM PDT by Fog Nozzle
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To: Rakkasan1
Vikings raping and pillaging?

No. Way.

:-D )))

45 posted on 10/12/2005 9:34:23 AM PDT by RichInOC (Two-block the Jolly Roger. Set Condition 1SQ. Spin up all missiles. This is not a drill. Arghhhhh...)
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To: Rakkasan1

Sex is a private thing. As long as they're only having sex with one another I don't think it should be in the papers...


46 posted on 10/12/2005 9:34:28 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Rakkasan1

http://www.startribune.com/stories/510/5663357.html

Vikings cruise was allegedly a sex party
David Chanen, Paul McEnroe and Kevin Seifert, Star Tribune

Last update: October 12, 2005 at 11:51 AM

Minnesota Vikings players are being investigated in connection with a lake cruise that turned into a wild sex party last week on Lake Minnetonka. The party became so out of control that crew members on the two yachts were offered money for sex and feared for their safety, law enforcement authorities and an attorney for the cruise company said Tuesday.

The excursion Thursday on two yachts owned by Al & Alma's Supper Club and Charter Cruises in Mound was organized by first-year Vikings safety Fred Smoot and possibly two other players, according to Stephen Doyle, the company's attorney.

At least 17 Vikings players have been identified as being on the yachts, he said. It was unclear how many were involved in sex-related activities.

At least 90 people were on the two yachts. The boats were ordered to return to shore just 40 minutes into what had been planned as a 3½-hour cruise after supervisors learned of the alleged behavior.

The crew members, including one who was 18, were "petrified" for their safety, Doyle said.

"The behavior was terrible," he said. "Vikings were absolutely participating. This was not a passive event for them. It was outrageous."

The Hennepin County Sheriff's Office is investigating the case, after the boat company notified authorities about the players' alleged behavior.

No arrests have been made, and no charges have been filed.

The incident took place during the team's bye week; the Vikings didn't play Sunday.

Late Tuesday, Vikings officials issued a statement: "The organization has been made aware of the allegations involving our players and we take these allegations very seriously. We are working diligently to gather as many facts as possible. At this time, we have no further comment."

Attempts to reach Smoot and his agent were unsuccessful.

Doyle said behavior on the cruise included oral sex, masturbation and playing with sex toys.

A source with direct knowledge of the case said Tuesday that accounts of Vikings players having public sex on at least one of the boats matched with what witnesses had reported.

The source said that it appeared that the sex acts took place between consenting adults and that no felony-level crimes had been committed. The source said that it was likely that misdemeanor charges involving lewd behavior could be filed against some players within a week.

(snip)


47 posted on 10/12/2005 9:38:32 AM PDT by maggief
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

one of the few intelligent things he ever said.


48 posted on 10/12/2005 9:40:05 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: Minn

"The presence of a team is a significant asset for millions of people that never visit the stadium or spend a dime to watch a game. The ability to watch a home team, listen to a team, root for a team, discuss a team over the water cooler, read about them, complain about them, and possibly dance in the street in joyous rapture to celebrate their glorious exploits, is a very real economic asset to vast numbers tax paying of people.
"




And how is that an economic benefit? Great! Teams have fans. I don't see the connection between that and my paying taxes to pay for even part of a stadium for a professional sports team. I don't go to Vikings or Twins games. I don't follow the teams' progress during the season. I don't talk about the teams.

But...guess what...I'm about to be forced to pay for their stadia. Maybe you can explain why that is a good idea. I don't like it one bit. The only effect the teams have on me is to keep me away from the areas near the Metrodome during the day of a game. If there will be two stadia, then that will be two areas I'll have to avoid.

No tax money for professional sports. Period!

I don't mind if the University of Minnesota gets a taxpayer-funded stadium. It's a state-funded university. I think college football is silly, too, but at least it's a state-funded university, so I can pretend that my taxes go for academic expenses.

The Vikings? The Twins? Let them pay their own way, and let their fans pay for their new stadia. Not me, thanks.


49 posted on 10/12/2005 9:42:00 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Rakkasan1

"Doyle said behavior on the cruise included oral sex, masturbation and playing with sex toys."

Game prep no doubt!


50 posted on 10/12/2005 9:46:33 AM PDT by Rocket1968 (Durbin must resign - NOW!)
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